Chewing the Fat about Maxi Scooters again

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by GREY.HOUND, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. windburn

    windburn Long timer

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    This last week I had a good look at the 2 models of BMW Maxi scooter. They brake the $10,000 barrier at $10,000 and $11,000. I'm in the Market for one to replace the Silver Wing I just sold.

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    I've sold my home, all my cars, and my Silver Wing but I would be in divorce court if I had pull the trigger in the middle of the big move. So this sign that The dealer has displayed would not work for a few months.
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  2. Rugby4life

    Rugby4life Been here awhile

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    I've got about 9k miles on my GT now and am greatly impressed with it. I did a 1400 mile highway trip last month and it was just as capable as my R1100RT was. I would like some more square footage for the rider's portion of the seat though.
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  3. Pilgrim21784

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    JMO: Having been through a 250cc Reflex (which I consider barely a "maxi"), MP3 400, TMAX 500 & currently riding a '12 Silverwing 582, I'm convinced that the 500cc ride meets all my requirements in weight, HP and general ride preferences.

    It just has to have ABS and be sub-500#. As a 63 y.o. relatively inexperienced rider with a bad back, knees and ankle - a lowered seat TMAX with ABS would be my perfect ride.

    I only sold my '09 TMAX because of no ABS (US models only; its been available in Europe w/ABS for years). I'm aware that many highly skilled riders don't like ABS.

    For me, ABS is an absolute necessity. My riding environment has Bambi (and turkey buzzards eating road kill) as my greatest risk factors. I'm a retired bum and avoid cager environments in most instances.

    I'll be long dead before I have the skill level to equal or exceed ABS performance, most especially in wet conditions. I've only been riding since 2007 and will not ride a non-ABS scooter (excepting the small bore beach or around town stuff).

    Interestingly, my riding buddies who meet the highly skilled classification and previously gigged me about being an ABS wuss will no longer bet money on head to head tests of higher speed (50>+) panic stop braking runs in wet conditions.

    That is both a testament to their smarts, experience with me and all available data. The few who did try it against my SW at 50mph+ & $100 a pop lost money in every try (& some lost it and crashed trying).

    So, for me, my '12 SW will go the distance until an ABS TMAX (+ a re-worked seat lowered to 30") is available in the US. Low step through, <500#, ABS, PWR of 11:1 or less, seat height 30" or less and I'm good to go.
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  4. Krusty ...

    Krusty ... What? Me hurry?

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    Pilgrim, I hear you about the lack of ABS on the US Tmax. The tmax brakes are a big leap beyond the binders of all my other bikes- and I really tiptoe around when the streets are wet. I'm on the original Battlax's, 2,400 miles, but four years old. I'm just about to pull the trigger on a set of Diablo's. Hoping they'll provide more slick street confidence.

    Other than that, it's a hoot.
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  5. Pilgrim21784

    Pilgrim21784 Pilgrim21784

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    Yep, i completely understand and agree with your comments. My only giggle issue with the TMAX was a "WTF, I'm doing way beyond the speed limit and didn't notice". That sucker is fast without even trying.

    The TMAX brakes (US) will stop you real quick, in many cases, way beyond a less than expert rider's capability to handle. It taught me that one has to B&B (brace and brake) to deal with inertia forces. Been there and luckily didn't drop it, but had more than one close call.

    My realistic view of riding capability (for me) is that ABS is a must have option. Since my retirement and initiation to riding in '07, I've become an ABS only rider. It has saved my low skill butt many a time dodging Bambi or buzzards.

    Highly skilled dudes will disagree, but for us mere mortals - in any kind of emergency stop situation, ABS will save your butt. JMO

    In seriously wet conditions - I'll leave it at this:

    Bring some cash & I'll be happy to do head to head at 50 MPH panic stop runs at $100 a pop against my SW. I'm not a very skilled rider but if you can beat me (and Honda's ABS combined braking) - I'll gladly pay the tab and in addition, buy you some good beer or wine, your choice.

    Regarding tires, I'm sorry but can't offer any useful information. I bought mine ('09) with the OEMs at 1200 miles and sold it before needing replacement. I understand that there are serious performance differences between tires but its beyond my knowledge base. Other ADV Riders will surely have better information.

    The big difference for me with ABS is not having tire lock-up and its related problems in emergency situations. That has seriously saved my dumb-ass, inexperienced butt many times.

    The common sense issue for any new or less experienced rider is that acquiring the skill set to equal or exceed ABS performance has exceedingly higher risks. Highly skilled riders can deal with emergency situations as a matter of course, but to get there they have had to experience a high degree of risk - and survived. For less than expert riders, ABS is a gift from the gods. JMO
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  6. DougFromKentucky

    DougFromKentucky Just a good 'ole boy

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    I have moved to ABS myself (have it on my Burgman 650 Executive). The reason for me is that I am aging and my reflexes just aren't as good as they used to be. I still have my V-Strom 650 without ABS but am finding that I rarely ride it anymore. It has just got to hard to climb on the bike. I also have joint issues in my hands and pulling a clutch hurts now. Guess I will be selling the V-Strom. Too bad as I have it set up for max comfort riding. Oh well....

    Used to say I would never ride a bike with ABS, now I have reached the point that I want it.

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  7. aidanpryde18

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    I have a Silverwing and when my OEM Hoops wore out, I switched to Diablos and I will say, they are bar none, amazing tires. Excellent grip on any surface. Never had a hint of traction loss whether wet, dry, warm or cold. They don't have quite the lifespan of the Hoops, but it is totally worth the trade-off. I rode my Wing on the Devil's Triangle and my buddy on a Triumph Legend was struggling to keep up. I sparked the center stand a couple of times and never felt like I was light on traction. I can't imagine the kind of fun I could get into on a T-Max with Diablos.
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  8. Motovista

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    The Kymco Grand Vista, or Grand Dink, was just such a bike. It was smaller than many 150s, and had a 250cc engine. The thing flat moved, and there were, and might still be, lots of performance parts for it. It had such dubious advances as Mirrors that electrically folded in. The Kymco Bet and Win was also a very small 250cc scooter. Not many were imported as a 250cc though.
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  9. DiabloADV

    DiabloADV Semi-Occasional

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    I've been wanting a good highway bike but haven't been able to decide between a sport-tourer or a big tourer or...whatever.

    I now have a R1150RT on long-term loan from a friend that's overseas for a couple of years. I really like it, even for my quickie get-outta-the-house rides through the local hills. I like it enough to have figured on getting a R1200RT of my own at some point.

    That said, my next bike will be a C650GT. The luxury maxi-scoot just pushes all the right buttons, for less than the cost of a used 1200RT. All the things I like about the RT, for less money and scooter sit-and-go simplicity.

    When looking at the C650GT side-by-side with an RT in the dealer showroom, the scoot strikes me as a bargain sport-tourer, not as an expensive scooter.
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  10. Rugby4life

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    Agreed, I look at it as a midsized sport-touring bike. I did a 1400 mile trip last month and am doing a 2k mile trip this weekend. I also commute daily / year round on it.
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  11. klx250sfguy

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  12. GREY.HOUND

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    As a sport tourer, that is exactly what I think of many of the maxi's. Obviously more tour than sport, but depending on your wants and needs. I would think the c600 sport would be even more in the ST class.
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  13. klx250sfguy

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    I tell ya, the one I tested was super comfortable. It was a cold drizzly day when I took one out so the heated seat and heated grips were very much appreciated. I got it up to 160 km/hour at one point no problem. If I had one, I could tour with my buddy, who has a C14 / Connie, and give him a run for his money. The only regret - I didn't adjust the windshield before heading out. The scoot I was riding wasn't equipped with a power adjustable windshield (like the 650) but it had a manual adjustment. Too low meant wind buffeting on my helmet, otherwise it was perfect. I've never ridden any other maxi scoot so I got nothing to compare to. I've ridden a few GoldWings and liked them a lot but at low speeds, in parking lots, driveways, garages I'm sure I'd drop one eventually. The BMW's are awesome.
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  14. Birohead

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    I have been using a Yamaha Majesty for all my round town journeys rather than sitting in the car going nowhere and getting annoyed. The Yamaha is brilliant as a replacement for the car but no substitute for a big sports tourer like my 1100RS. Great fun and very easy on the fuel. Everyone says what a good idea but no followers yet - car drivers or bikes - but they are still moaning about the traffic. Wise up
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  15. BerndM

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  16. klx250sfguy

    klx250sfguy Been here awhile

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    That's good to know. The moral of the story: test ride before you buy.
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  17. Rugby4life

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    I did a 2000 mile test drive this past weekend, but I seemed to have gotten things backwards. I bought my C650GT 10 months ago. Oops
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  18. GREY.HOUND

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    Another comparison by MCN Magazine. They compare the Burgman650, BMW650GT, and the Kymco Myroad. This is a link to another scooter forum where a guy scanned the print version of the magazine. You just have to click on each page to enlarge them. At the end they do some detailed specs comparison of each, including ergonomic measurements, 0-60 speeds, 1/4mile speeds and breaking distance. Pretty sweet actually.

    http://maxi-scoots.com/scoot/index.php?topic=5947.0
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  19. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    That was a very well worthwhile read. It puts to shame the effort Rider magazine gave the topic a few months ago. I only wish they had done some comparison between the Burgman in the various transmission modes and published the details.
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  20. klaviator

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    Excellent article. Thanks for posting the link. I'd love to see a similar comparison on some midsize scooters like the DT 300, GT300, Forza and maybe Burgman 400.