CHP forced to remove lane-splitting guidelines...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by vaara, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. Rgconner

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    FWIW, things have gotten safer for motorcyclists since those guidelines were published.

    Many local stations/newspapers ran the story in different forms for several weeks. They ran them again at the start of summer. Drivers have been more courteous about leaving gaps and not intentionally closing off the gap to block motorcyclists.

    I have seen CHP pull over assholes that do it for the first time in 20 years of riding.

    We can't have a discussion about passing a law to make it legal because of the non-motorcycle riding publics ignorance about the subject, and the behavior of the "loud pipes" and squid riders who spook drivers when lane splitting.

    The broader public has no idea how it is done in Europe, the traffic jam reduction it provides, or the fact that Motorcyclists are at their greatest risk in stop and go traffic.

    It really boils down to "they cut in line"... as if that were anything but an emotional argument: you can cut in line too buddy, ride a motorcycle. (Which the wife/SO won't let them have, most likely... bitter clingers)
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  2. Rgconner

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    Hey, I got something to lose, so I am not one who is going to make his life hell.

    (Which is why it is not written in the first person, but your eagerness to be snide skipped that detail, troll)

    The chatter at the local bike shop and watering holes is that the bike community at large is not pleased with this guy. His name is Mudd.

    Your argument of him doing the right thing or the wrong thing is not the issue, the issue is 1%'ers and wannabe 1%'ers not taking kindly to it.

    I am sure they would listen to reason if you came over and tried to talk them out of it....
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  3. catweasel67

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    Well, obviously I can't speak for the 1%ers in the US but if they're anything like the 1%ers over here, they could give a flying fuck about guidelines...

    And I find your suggestion that they care so much about the removal of those guidelines laughable. Ridiculous even.

    As for the community at large, if they're as stupid as you, then I'd not be surprised at their anger. I'll say it again - he's done you guys in CA a favour by lodging his complaint. Californian bikers do not want lane splitting to become a legislative issue - I'd suggest having a law actually endorsing it would be extremely unlikely given the risk averse nature of most politicians.

    And yes, that's what I'd say if I was over there. The fact that you didn't speaks volumes about your character, especially when they're threatening someone, even in bravado, because of their ignorance/stupidity.

    In closing - grow a pair fuckface and have a nice day.
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  4. vaara

    vaara Been here awhile

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    Yes, I saw a lane-splitting PSA on SyFy (of all places) a few weeks ago, and almost spat out my venti half-soy half-almond free trade dark roast macchiato with 3 pumps of caramel and 1 of vanilla.

    Which begs the question: is information aimed at car drivers (i.e. "here's this thing that some motorcyclists do - watch out for them") *also* a form of "backdoor regulation"?

    (heh. I said backdoor.)
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  5. Rgconner

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    More stupidity on your part. I never expressed an opinion of my own on the matter, you jumped to conclusions. And then you resorted to name calling... very grown up on your part.

    I would prefer we have a real law giving us a lane splitting rights, but the unwashed masses of cagers who believe they are the only legitimate traffic on the road will never let it pass.

    "1%" is an exaggeration even in California, there is one bike for every 50 people, and half the riders are not in a patched club.
    I doubt they make up even 1% of the riders.

    So typical commuting/pleasure riders like myself stand no chance of getting a lane splitting law... we are just too outnumbered.
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  6. Navy Chief

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    My biggest complaint in this is that for a brief while we were able to point to California as an example of how this should be done, there were no laws prohibiting it there and there were actually guidelines on how it should be safely executed published by a state agency. I have been actively involved in attempting (rather unsuccessfully) to attempt to get some of the laws in my area changed to at least remove the prohibition on lane splitting removed from the books. This is a step backwards in getting the laws changed to reflect what is safer and more logical. Unfortunately self righteous pricks like the little twerp who got California to back off will never willingly let any of this pass, it would allow somebody to go in front of them and they would view it as "cutting in line".
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  7. dwoodward

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    I'd be interesting in hearing how you would intend to provide enforcement action for 'unsafe' lane splitting.

    Because what I hear from quite a lot of people against it is that they can't figure that part out, and that's what's keeping it from being legalized.

    That and random assholes like the kid I saw on a supermoto a couple weeks ago, using three lanes of I-5 and both shoulders to move through traffic; he's the mental image everyone gets of "legal" lane splitting.
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  9. Andrew

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    Brief while? Before the "guidelines" were published, we had a very long and successful California example to point to, where lane splitting was not illegal, not defined in the vehicle code. The guidelines served to confuse people who assumed there were now laws on the books regulating lane-splitting. We are better off now, without the guidelines muddying the issue.
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  10. eatpasta

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    this.

    unless you ride in California, this conversation doesn't pertain to you.
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  11. LS650

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    I recommend that anyone interested in this issue read the actual petition, and related emails:

    http://lanesplittingislegal.com/assets/docs/CHP-UndergroundRegulatio10-07-13.pdf

    I suggest folks read the actual petition, particularly paragraph 6 in the lead document. If you scan through all 28 pages, towards the end he goes off on a couple of nasty, snide rants against the CHP (ex. for parking in a non-parking spot front of a Starbucks) etc. I suspect he really has a beef against the CHP, and lane-splitting is only a sideline victim.
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    on a side note, I spent about 45 minutes splitting with a CHP on Friday. It was weird - he would let me in and I would lead and the traffic would open up a bit and he would lead and then back and forth.
    I think he just wanted to make sure I wasn't a douche....either way it was very professional and especially when I was following, a very efficient way to slice traffic

    :thumb
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  13. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Dude has an axe to grind that is for sure. The part about "CHP getting what it paid for" was pretty cute.

    Someone should foreward that tripe to UC and see what they have to say about it. Generally well regarded research institutions takes any challenge to their integrity pretty seriously.
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    Im only on page two and man, there is already quite a lot of assumptions made on behalf of millions of people and a ton of BS

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  15. k-moe

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    You are safer now without guidelines for other motorists to know what they can expect when encountering lane splitting? You're better off not knowing what constitutes safe lane splitting so you can avoid being pulled over and ticketed for reckless driving based on an individual officer's opinion?
    I don't see how that can be.
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  16. eatpasta

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    This guy seems like a grade A douche for sure. We all know people who receive a lot of joy from pointing out inconsistencies or inaccuracies no matter how infinitesimal and insist on the world being set right.
    My old man used to tell me about people like this when he was the Division Chief of the Fire Department and didn't enjoy it much. "I pay your salary / your a public servant" blah blah blah - He did, however enjoy making sure these peoples' properties were up to code....
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    Yes, I'm safer without some nimrod belligerent cager or over-wound LEO thinking that those guidelines carried legal weight, when they see me riding differently than they interpreted the guidelines to suggest.

    As an experienced motorcyclist with over a decade of lane-splitting experience on Bay Area roads... I don't need a set of CHP guidelines to tell me what was safe and what was unsafe practice. And I would hope that no rider looks to those guidelines as gospel, and assumes they're "safe" as long as they follow them... traffic is vicious out there, and utterly unforgiving. You and I should ride (and split) with our wits about us, responding to the situation unfolding in front of us.

    You might be missing the point, that LEO can already pull us over for whatever they feel is unsafe riding. They know it when they see it, and it's a system that has worked well enough. They don't need a new set of guidelines to inform them.
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  18. Rgconner

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    Again, I wonder how he will feel about being "right" now that people that don't agree with him have his office address, gmail account, phone number...

    he cannot hide behind the anonymity of this board for his actions.
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