CHP forced to remove lane-splitting guidelines...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by vaara, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. dwoodward

    dwoodward Long timer

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    Unclear on how most things become law, are we? Hint:

    Note that if a bill is introduced against it, you should make sure it also excludes motor officers. :deal
  2. Rgconner

    Rgconner Long timer

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    I guess you never heard of the Proposition system?

    For fucks sake, at least be semi informed.
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    Human Ills Useful Idiom

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    Cops can drive on the sidewalk if they 'need' to.
  4. dwoodward

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    CA law at some recent point forbid things being suction-cupped to the windshield. IIRC, a traffic stop that turned into something big was thrown out because the cop's camcorder that most of the evidence came from was... stuck to the windshield. The law now allows things in certain locations (IIRC bottom left and top right corners)

    I can't imagine most traffic law comes from voter propositions. If so, in California, they'd just vote themselves less traffic and expect it to happen.
  5. catweasel67

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    It works, at least up to a point, in Athens for example - to cut down on pollution and congestion, folks have to alternate the days on which they can drive their car according to their number plates - Road Space Rationing.

    The benefits have been a 20% reduction in road congestion plus the commensurate reduction in air pollution.

    FWIW it's been going on, with varying degrees of success, for about 2,000 years.
  6. Rgconner

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    MOST law don't. Vast majority don't.

    But there are some.

    For example, there was a proposition 213 that passed in the 90's that said that if you were committing a crime and were in an accident, you could not claim against the insurance.
    Prop 200 tried to do no fault insurance.

    Prop 65 covered chemical pollution, it was applied to cars.

    Prop 103 rolled back insurance costs.

    Several failed propositions tried to get helmets required before the law was passed. Just not enough people cared to sign the prop to get it on the ballot.

    Same would happen with a PRO lane split proposition. ANTI would likely get some traction and on the ballot.
  7. pretbek

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    How do you know? Has it ever been tried?
  8. Rgconner

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    A repeal of the helmet law was tried. could not get signatures to get on the ballet.

    one of the effects of putting forth a proposition is that a competing one gets circulated almost immediately by those opposed to it.

    One that was ANTI would likely get far more signatures from the 99% that don't ride.
  9. Vacman

    Vacman Some call me...Tim?

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    I honestly don't think enough people care either way to really make it an issue unless motorcyclists make it an issue. Just let it go and things will inevitably go back to the way they were. Keep stirring the pot and eventually things will come to a tipping point.
  10. Benduro

    Benduro It's been handled.™

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    And just why is this so hard for some people here to figure out?!?
    Do we have a "law" saying it's ok to eat produce you grow I'm your back yard?
    No?
    Is it legal?
    Yes?

    Can you imagine how completely fucked we would be if things had to be allowed rather than disallowed?
  11. Human Ills

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    Why assume all trolls ride?
  12. pretbek

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    Yes, rather completely.

    From a selfish point of view: I wish lane splitting would become explicitly legal in CA, the way it is explicitly illegal in the other 49 states. That way we could point at an actual law on the books that works, to convince the legislation in these 49 backwaters to allow lane splitting there as well.
    God I miss proper motorcycle behavior like I was used to, not this ridiculous needing to mimic a fooking car!

    Come on CA, for the good of the country, strive to make lane splitting legal! Think of the children!
  13. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    There's quite a variety of produce, that you're not allowed to consume, which you can grow in your backyard. What's your point exactly?

    I'm preferring leaving lane-splitting in the "not illegal" category. Undefined, without guidelines or regulations, save those that are already on the books that apply to all riding. As soon as it becomes "legal" and codified, we will see it get whittled away and regulated to the point where you can't split above 30 MPH - and that would be a real step backwards.
  14. Benduro

    Benduro It's been handled.™

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    How pedantic.
    The point had nothing to do with produce and everything to do with the law. Shirley, you jest?

    We are in agreement. "Not illegal" is legal. Let's leave it at that.
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    Wrong. And in a big way. But let's leave it at that.
  16. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

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    Someone should really start a thread about lane-splitting which isn't specific to the riders in the state of california and make their opinions known there.:1drink
  17. catweasel67

    catweasel67 RD04

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    Someone should really take their regional crap to a regional forum and stay out of the international ones.
  18. Benduro

    Benduro It's been handled.™

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    Let me guess:
    Ass Badger 67?
    Dude, this ignore function is pretty sweet!

    (This might become my Sig-line)
  19. Rgconner

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    No, it is the other infamous son of Austria...