Cide1’s Ural + Hack Thread (was Ural 650 Reliability)

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by cide1, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    Congrats! Let me know if checking out my Ural would ever be helpful as a comparison. I'm just up the road.
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  2. cide1

    cide1 Been here awhile

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    Awesome, I had been following your thread, but didn't realize you were so close. I've debated finding a newer Ural (thinking '14 or newer) to go along with this one. At the power level that this is, the antiquity level, the long delay in getting parts, etc., I think a newer one would be different enough to be worth having.
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  3. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    My opinion would be that you put some miles on one and see if this whole sidecar "thing" is for you. I'm a sidecar newby too, and it takes some getting used to. I think a new fuel injected, all disc brake model would be cool too, but I wasn't willing to spend the money for one. As is, I like my carbs and 2 drum brakes just fine. I'd rather be out riding, than working more hours to afford something nicer.

    Are there already mounts on your Solo, or do you need to weld onto the frame to make it accept the sidecar?
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  4. cide1

    cide1 Been here awhile

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    I purchased weld on mounts thinking I would weld them to the Solo frame, as it only has one of the four points needed (the upper front mount is there). I think the exhaust for the Solo gets in the way of the lower rear mount, so I need to look into that, and maybe source a non-Solo exhaust. I also think my sidecar is missing the brakes, as it has a 4x100 lug 13" car wheel and tire installed from a late 70s VW Scirocco. With the Ural bike in a bunch of pieces, I don't have the open space in the garage to dig into the sidecar yet and figure out exactly whats going on.

    I'm kind of torn on which direction I want to go (and I have all winter to think about it). I own three bikes right now:
    - A 2012 BMW R1200R for long distance and commuting that I'm leaving alone.
    - A 2013 Triumph Thruxton that I have pretty much turned into a Bonneville by changing handlebars and moving the foot controls. I bought it in a moment of weakness because I liked the looks, but in its stock state it was pretty uncomfortable. With the changes I've made, its way more comfortable to ride. It only has 1500 miles on it, as I almost always take the BMW for any "real" riding.
    - The '95 Solo that is pretty unknown right now. I think it was rated for 24 horsepower from the factory. I got it to run for a few minutes on gummed up carbs, but have installed new K68s since then. It has cable operated drum brakes front and back. It doesn't have leading link forks, and it has the wrong gear ratio in the rear end for a sidecar. It is kick start only with very simple carbs.

    I could weld the mounts to either the Triumph or the Ural. The Triumph most likely needs additional fabrication or DMC will sell me mounts that are fairly straightforward to install for $1200. The Triumph has 3 times the horsepower, disk brakes, along with EFI, good ignition and a big alternator. The Ural has pretty much everything against it, but the "cool" factor is strong, the side car matches the paint, it will attach with much less fabrication. I could probably find the parts to change the rear end ratio, and put brakes back on the sidecar (being that the sidecar is a '79 I'm not sure how hard sourcing brake parts will be).

    When I started down this path, I wanted a sidecar to use with my dog and when my daughter is old enough in about two years. Looking for newer Urals, I found the '95 in Ohio at what I thought was quite the bargain for a novelty. Then I bid on the sidecar on eBay, thinking I could attach it to anything. Nobody put any serious bids against me, so I got it really cheap. I don't have all that much money tied up in any of this, so I'm not too worried about "what will it be worth", I'm more worried about enjoyment and fun.
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  5. FLYING EYEBALL

    FLYING EYEBALL out of step

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    Hang it on the Triumph.

    btw

    the Scirocco wheel is a cool touch
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  6. cide1

    cide1 Been here awhile

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    I agree, if I hang it off the Thruxton that wheel will stay. One of my other toys is a '66 VW Beetle, so I have lots of love for VW.

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  7. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    I'd hesitate to hang it on the solo. I'm just 1 opinion, but I wouldn't personally like something that low on power to pull around a big, all steel sidecar. I personally think it might be a money pit too. Not that money is everything (there is something to be said for paying "tuition" to learn on a cheap bike), but I hate sinking money into something if I don't feel like I can get most of it back out.

    Let me know if you want to come check out my rig sometime. I had the luxury of knowing several people with Urals before I bought mine, so I felt like I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine. I wouldn't have had the courage to buy a project bike as my first sidecar; there are so many variables (reliability, alignment, brakes, tire pressures, dampening, etc) that I wanted to have something as close to perfect as I could afford.
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  8. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    Making any progress? I'd love to see that sidecar you bought; seems like a fun project.
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    cide1 Been here awhile

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    I'm waiting on a few parts from Ukraine including brakes shoes and rubber carb boots. I have new carbs installed and plumbed up with new fuel filters. I put the front forks back together, but need the brake shoes in to put it all back together again. I have an appointment with a pinstripe artist on Dec 16th to touch up the pinstripe on the gas tank.

    Work continues, but not as fast as I would like due to parts.

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  10. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    The Solo likely doesn’t have a reverse gearbox, which robs it of the Ural’s killer (or only) real outstanding feature as a tug.
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  11. cide1

    cide1 Been here awhile

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    Earlier Solos had reverse, and mine is old enough to still have it.
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  12. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    You may want to double check. I had a ‘95 and where my hacks had a reverse lever on the right, it had a similar lever but connected to the forward gear shifter shaft. Presumably for a hand shifter or something, but no reverse.
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    cide1 Been here awhile

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    Here’s a picture, I was thinking that was reverse.

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    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    Now, you should be able to get a Ural reverse tranny for a small fraction of a Bitcoin, so don’t despair :) but it is good to be aware of what you have.
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  16. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    And.... Time to hack the TRIUMPH!?!
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  17. cide1

    cide1 Been here awhile

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    Yeah, I agree, I’m thinking that hacking the Triumph is the way to go.


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  18. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    Yes. And also send me your solo so I can play :)
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  19. Lee 303

    Lee 303 razryadka

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    Your sidecar isn't missing brakes. Because it never had them. The sidecar is much older than your bike and is from the early 70s. I have one identical to it but has the stock bottle cap wheel. I have been trying to gather up parts to install brakes and so far have gotten a back plate with shoes and all the linkage. The sidecar swing arm is different for the brake equipped model and are still available. I just keep riding and procrastinating about the brake improvement project. The sidecar is now on a 1996 tourist with 33000 km on the clock it's been an ongoing project for the past 14 months. The bike came with homemade Denso conversion that was ready to self destruct. I replaced it with a Russian manufactured g424 150 watt alternator that works just fine. Last week put a new drive gear on it that really quieted down a lot of noise. Ordered the electrics from a reputable guy in Kiev. Took a month and half in transit because the Ukrainian postal service is routed through Moscow.The new drive gear came from Germany and took about two weeks.
    Are you going to change the pinion gears in the final drive?
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  20. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    Have you had time to think more about how you want to proceed? I know if it were me, the Ural news would have been a major letdown. Still considering using the Triumph as the tug?
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