city nav 2018.2 and labrador roads (also any gpx tracks?)

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  1. hotwheels22

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    new to garmin and trying to get something going here using the mac OS.

    i'm have city navigator and loaded eastern canada maps to my device. this was a relatively recent update as far as i know and i'm wondering if i am missing data in this are or if i am misusing basecamp.

    also, anyone have a gpx track for this route - say through labrador and down through montreal/quebec on one side and back to maine on the other side? it would be super helpful for me as i start to try to use this device.

    thanks for any help.

    jon
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    There is a great Base camp tutorial in the map section of the forum and it is easy to find.

    If no one has tracks, you can make them in Basecamp and load them on your GPS. I do that all the time,and verify against the satellite images in Google Earth.
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    thanks. i'm a noob to garmin which basically feels like i am trying to learn portuguese. i'm afraid i'll screw it up royally but will take a stab incentive i figure out how to get gpx tracks to my zumo 550 on an max....

    can i ask you why i only see two SHORT sections of road in labrador when i look st the map? i mean, i can 't even see the roads i need to add them to a route. can post a pic if it will help...

    THANKS
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    Here is the link I was talking about. http://www.newenglandriders.org/Learn_BaseCamp.htm

    As far as Garmin maps go in Canada... out of date almost always, especially for areas like Labrador. Garmin still thinks we have igloos and pavement hasn't been invented.

    Check out Open Street Maps (OSM) or Just Google maps. You can also create tracks on Google Mpas and convert them to a format that Garmin can use.

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=5/53.865/-68.071

    Likely someone from out that way already has the track and can share it though.

    Mapping software and hardware has a steep learning curve. Just keep at it and you will get it.

    I just quickly created a track on Google maps and used GPX Visualizer to convert it from a KLM file to a GPX file;

    http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert?output_home

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    Here is another that I quickly created using the same method.

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    That should give you something to start with.
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    thanks a ton man.

    i can deal with the software learning curve but the hardware learning curve is baffling. it's a damn SD card with a file on it. wish i knew if the issue was the loading to the SD card or my using the zumo UI to find it or what. may have to try a 4gb card to eliminate the 8gb card.

    your info here is awesome. so THANKS AGAIN. google maps to visualizer for conversion may be quick enough for me to use on a road trip in the coming days!

    so two questions please? i'm actually in new england so the guys here turned me on to that link and i hope to be half way through it by end of morning today.

    1. can i just use the zumo as a visual location device instead of using it as an actual navigation tool? i mean, can i let it act as basically a dumb locator and not it touch it? in this case i would do as you have done and gotten the complete road system for canada - and i guess i would import it as a gpx file to...

    or what would i do here? i have the complete garmin maps. would i add mapping in some way to the garmin maps or would i basically open a track for labrador ONLY when i got to labrador and let the zumo show this CUSTOM CREATED track instead of showing the garmin map or something?

    2. can i use google maps to navigate with using saved gpx or klm files?

    3. is it best to save klm files as BOTH klm and gpx? or to convert gpx also to klm and have both?

    3. can i load gpx or klm to gps only apps such as copilot, nacigon, herewego or motion x?

    4. OSM is basically a data set to replace the garmin maps, yes? would i download it to my computer and tell basecamp to use it instead to get labrador to route?

    5. i mean, i guess you used gmaps to use /their/ data set to route labrador. and i would be SOL if i was trying to locate myself on a ROAD in canada using the zumo loaded with garmin maps. so do i load a route/track - instead of an actual map data set - to the garmin to get it to "see" labrador?

    6. if i use a gps phone app i would have access to OSM or whatever and i think i could SEE the road but i don't think i would see where i am since the gps only (no cell or wifi) phone can't send it's location to show me where it is like the garmin can?

    whatever you can answer is great. only tested gps only very briefly here in the states can and the roads were loaded...

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    Wow.

    OK;

    With your Zumo you will have a map set on the device that will show on the screen. Even if it is inaccurate (ie; not showing a road that you are physically on) If you have uploaded a gpx track to the device, and set it to "show on map" it will appear. It might look like you are driving through the bush but you will know better.

    OSM is an alternative data set to Garmin and yes you can download an area like eastern Canada and choose to show in Basecamp, rather than City Navigator. You will have choices in the drop down menu box when you have more than one map. For instance I have Topo Canada, OSM, City Navigator, etc. I will build tracks and compare with different map overlays.

    In non cell areas a dedicated GPS is invaluable, but I have no experience with phone based apps to compare.

    GPX files are the only ones you need. KLM files is a Google thing and I always convert them as they won't work on your garmin.

    This is whay I prepare trip tracks before hand and load them to my GPS (I generally also carry a paper map) By making the tracks and viewing them in Google Earth (you can do this right from Basecamp if you have Google Earth on your computer as well. "view" tab on the tool bar.

    Also: This is a big one. Don't overthink it. Even without a track, the GPS will show you what is there (if the map software is accurate, and your eyes will do the rest) and in Canada there are not that many roads where you are headed AND signage is good if you pay attention and read every sign. With only a few roads it is hard to get lost.

    There is a couple that is in the process of doing that route right now.

    I have a Garmin Montana 600 with a few maps loaded. I usually use Canada Topographical since I like the elevation graphing. It suits the riding that I do, but befoer I had it I used City Navigator and it was surprisingly good even on the back roads.

    The key is have your zoom level at 300m and it will show all the small side roads. If you zoom out beyond that the smaller roads don't show up.
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    man. thank so much. sorry for the multiple questions.

    hopefully i will be over the hump here at least on loading maps to the device. if i knew where the issue was it would be nice. i will keep cranking through the new england garmin on a mac tutorial and hopefully find it.

    so very quickly - is there a way to download OSM into BC and transfer it to the Zumo (say on an SD card and i could plug it in for the hoped for labrador part of the trip)?

    will be trying to get your two gpx tracks to the device in the coming days - THANKS. i guess when i get to that area and i want these roads i simply load another track which will be YOUR track showing labrador roads and then i will go back to another track for NFLD (or just leave no track/route on the garmin and just use it to let me locate where i am?!)

    THANK YOU!

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    so. deleted all files off SD card using card reader. emptied trash.

    only track showing in the zumo is a track i imported to the HD and which is awaiting import. now sure if i can delete this off the internal HD.

    now i downloaded the two labrador tracks and some local new england tracks to the SD card using the reader (image attached).

    put the disk into the reader and these files do not show. turned off and on the device. they do not show.

    i am going to try a 4 gb disk on the wild guess that the 8 GB disk is being recognized and mounted to the HD while IN the garmin but it is not being recognized by the garmin.

    keeping my fingers crossed...

    jon

    image is of the files on the SD card while in the reader. as far as i remember i see the SAME THING when the disk is in the zumo and it is connected to the computer...

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    I don't know about your gps, but if I put or save a track onto mine, I have to go to "manage tracks", select that track, then select "show on map" in order for me to be able to see it. It's a royal pain when you import a pile of tracks, but that's how it is.
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    @hotwheels22 this link will let you select OSM tiles you want (or select BC under NA drop down) and download a gmapsupp.img file to transfer to your SD card. This will easily give you routable Garmin maps based on OSM data. Depending on your device the file may have to be under 4GB

    As for gpx tracks some devices cannot handle tracks with too many points. Sometimes you have to break them into segments to view on your device. Another option is to create an overlay of the track.. I'm not familiar with Zumo and its limitations with gpx files.
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    Since it seems this hasn't been answered yet... I assume the road you're looking for is the Trans-Labrador Highway? It's definitely in there -- I have an older Garmin City Nav mapset and it's in there. It is a minor road though (despite being the only one), so it may not show up if you're zoomed out too far and/or have your detail slider set too low.

    --mark
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    yeah. i'm getting pissed with this zumo 550. i finally fucking found a 4 gb card at gamestop (big tip guy's...) and copied files onto it using an SD reader cause it does not mount when in the garmin.

    zumo can't find them on the card or i'm a moron and using it wrong.

    no options let me find them in the zumo even though they are on the card

    format fat 32. i'm going to keep at it cause i'd like to use it...
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    THANKS mark. i will check this and report back...
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    THANKS man. i'm pretty computer savvy and this device is making me feel like a moron. basecamp i think i can work with.

    anyone know how to get tracks on the frigging SD card (4 gb and an 8 gb formatted fat 32) recognized by a zumo 550?!

    how do i find them?

    can i just copy and paste to the SD? is there some secret handshake to get them ON the card or to get them SEEN by this device?

    <edit: these are small one state tracks. i can't imagine they are too big in any way for waypoints or whatever...>
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    From some quick googling I believe the limit to the gpx tracks is often 10,000 points. Depending who made the track the points could be very dense and you could get to 10,000 easily within a state. This has been the main issue I run into with Garmin devices besides the GB limitation
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    ok. thanks. for some reason i have a hard time thinking these tracks are 10,000 points.

    i can't see how you would do a multistage trip if i can't even load one single state track.

    is there a way for me to confirm the point count in basecamp so i can make sure this is not the issue....?
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    You can't just throw files on the SD card and expect the Garmin to see them. The Garmin is looking for a certain directory structure. There needs to be a GARMIN directory at the root of the SD card volume, and a GPX folder inside that. Map files can go loose in the GARMIN directory; any route or track files should be in GPX format and go in the GPX directory.

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    Whenever I've imported a track that was too long for the gps to handle, it automatically recalculated the track, eliminating some of the points. You lose some of the detail, but it maintains the entire length.

    That's a very good point.

    Generally, you need to export the track to the gps. Rather than putting the track file on the card, and then putting the card into the gps, put the card in thegps, plug the gps into the computer, and then export from basecamp to the gps. It should set up the necessary directory to enable the gps to read the file.
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