Clarke Clear Fuel Tanks

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by CZTHDA, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. CZTHDA

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    Have any of you guys from Oregon running the clear Clarke tanks on your dualsports had any problems with law enforcement or FS rangers on public roads?
    I would like a larger clear tank, but don't like to be hassled.
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  2. oldmonkeybut

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    I run a Natural Acerbis and have had no issues with enforcement.
    Plastic is plastic no matter what color it is.
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  3. Jungle Man

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    I've run red acerbis and a clear ims. One officer asked if the clear one came from the factory , I said yes it is from the factory...(the ims factory :D), when I was running the stock tank a state patrol officer was taping my tank and when I inquired why he asked if it was plastic, it was the oem steel tank which was good I guess.

    Both were big and odd looking, never got pulled over on my xr with the red tank but never gave them a reason too.
    ...Just do it.

    p.s. I'm not from Oregon but was in Oregon when I got asked about the clear tank.
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  4. doggitter

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    What's the deal here? Plastic tanks are outlawed or something???
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  5. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    Plastic tanks are not illegal, many street bikes, cars, and trucks come with them.
    I think the entire fuel system from the filler cap on down is emission certified, so any changes could be considered tampering and a violation of federal law. I don't know of any state or local laws that would apply. In any case, I don't think the color of the tank would be a factor.
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  6. matloik

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    And aside or in addition to being part of OEM equipment or not, these aftermarket tanks--and other doo-dads--are not DOT certified, I believe. Is it not the case, technically, that such equipment on a highway-legal vehicle must be DOT? (There are DOT OEM plastic tanks, of course.) I've never been or heard of anyone being hassled.
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  7. acesandeights

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    OE tanks (for on-road) are metal in order to meet EPA requirements.

    The EPA has permeation requirements, loss of fuel emissions through hoses and tanks. Metal tanks meet this requirement by definition. Plastic tanks do not. Plastic tanks can be made impermeable (to meet the EPA limits) but do not inherently meet the standard.

    If you put a plastic tank on an "on road" bike, you probably increased the emissions of the bike to a level that no longer meets the EPA requirement (unless that tank manufacturer also includes a "barrier" within the tank to meet that requirement). Emissions don't only come from the exhaust.
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  8. Scott_PDX

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    Good lord. They really want us all to ride bicycles and eat our own poo.
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    Well I've noticed multiple time when I get on the dr with oem tank I smell fuel. No leaks have been found. Plastic can't make it that much worse.
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  10. acesandeights

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    Plastic is much more permeable than metal (tanks). The smell is probably coming from the cap or the fuel line area, not through the metal.

    I have a plastic tank because I want one, regardless of the rules or emissions. I think most people should accept that fact when they choose a plastic tank over metal, as opposed to thinking plastic isn't worse for the environment. It is. It is more permeable and allows for greater fuel related emissions. But, it's usually larger and lighter than OE and that's what I want, again, regardless of the emissions.

    If you're worried about emissions, stick with a metal tank, but don't fool yourself into thinking plastic isn't worse for the enviornment. Just like the truth, it just is.
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  11. CZTHDA

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    I had just read some different forum posts about guys getting questioned and one guy saying he got a warning, from a Forest Service Ranger, I just don't like being hassled. Those posts were several years old, and in Washington State (it was not on this forum) so maybe they are common enough now that it is a non-issue. I do live where in a DEQ inspection area, so I plan on going with a larger plastic tank. Thanks for all the feedback.
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  12. Zuber

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    Cars and trucks have had HDPE tanks for about 30 years. My Dodge has a 32 gal plastic tank.

    My street legal KTM 500 EXC has a clear plastic tank from the factory.

    My street legal KTM 990 and 950's have nylon tanks.

    There is a very minor outgas from plastic, but nothing like the vapors coming from open vents or at filling stations.

    If you get stopped in Oregon for this, you were doing something suspect and they needed an excuse to have a conversation. I'd start the conversation by laughing at them.
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    Don't all Dual Sport tanks vent to the atmosphere through their caps? How is that different than the slight venting through the pastic? I think it's beauracracy myself.

    Agree that in general plastic in the environment is bad still. I hate those damn disposable plastic bottles/packaging everywhere. I've read that 10,000 years from now, we'll all be known as the "plastic people", for the discreate layer of plastic that we have left in the environment.
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  14. DiggerD

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    When was the last time you saw a new metal gas can for sale?

    Do they even make them anymore, for anything, except big rigs?

    Never been asked about mine, but I try not to ride like an ass, out of the woods.:wink::wink::wink:

    Like what has been noted ...don't poke at the bee hive, wave at 'em with all fingers.
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    Metal gas are quite available but you have to look for them since the average consumer wouldnt dream of spending for them.

    Glad my curiousity was for no real reason. But the stupid laws put into effect made me do a double take to this topic.
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  16. acesandeights

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    "We are also adopting new evaporative emission standards to control the loss of gasoline (described as "permeation") through the walls of fuel hoses and fuel tanks. The permeation standards apply to all classes of highway motorcycles." - EPA, back in 2003

    Tanks are typically lined to reduce the permeation, or I'm making it all up. :rolleyes
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  18. acesandeights

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    Holy crap! I only watched the first 15 seconds of that video, and I don't have speakers on my computer, but it was pretty scary! Sharks, or at least the silhouette of a shark, or big fish thing!!! Ahhh, scary!
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    It was just a joke about the situation in general, not directed at anyone here.

    Sorry, if you misunderstood.
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    I was trying to play along. Mine was not a serious response. :freaky
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