Classic Klotz oil? Where to get and which one

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  1. Quickv4

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    I have smelled the classic smell of some NOS Klotz oil burning, and Im curious which formulation is availble today which still carries the distinctive sweet smell the old stuff does, and where to get it.

    http://www.klotzlube.com/products.asp?cat=4

    Link, which one?
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  2. Abdelhub

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    my local dealer stocks Klotz. not sure which weight you would want i.e. 15/30 20/50....Lots of guys around here (northwest) like Dumonde tech. i personally want to get the stuff that smells like strawberries.....

    but currently Im using Motul full synthetic....i run it at 100:1 in my gas gas trials bike...40:1 in my vintage stuff...

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  3. Sam Simons

    Sam Simons Been here awhile

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    The tech people at Klotz were very helpful ,as I had the same interests.....To make a long story short,yes,there's still the aromatic blend available,however,I was told that storing it (rather than using it up shortly after mixing) will create problems due to product separation and moisture attraction. They offer other blends that have some of the aromatic
    qualities,but also other additives to allow storage without the above mentioned probs.....I use their TC-W2 in this :

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  4. fabspec

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    Are we talking the same smell as the old Castrol 2-stroke oil of the '60's? I neeeeed to find that. Even thinking about making scented candles for man caves everywhere....
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  5. MSrider

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    Nah, he's referring to classic smells like that of Klotz R 50. I bought and used that stuff by the 4gl. case when I rode 2 strokes. Ahh, I love that smell. :raabiaStarted using it back in the early eighties. Don't know how long it's been around. It can be used for a 50w 4 stroke engine oil also.
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  6. JeffS77

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    any castor based oil is what your looking for
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  9. smokeeater495

    smokeeater495 Been here awhile

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    I would say give their tech guys a call. Klotz is about 15 minutes from my house and I have stopped in and asked questions and picked up oil, nice people. I run their Ester-based oils in my 2 strokes, smells pretty damn good:evil. Is this what your looking for:
    http://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=44
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  10. Hennepinboy

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    The only thing I have ever won in a drawing was a case of Klotz 2 cycle oil, around 70 or 71. Burned it for years in snowmobiles and 2 stroke bikes, like other I loved the smell.
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  11. I.P. Freely

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    Who else uses Klotz oil?
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  12. AlpinaE24

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    I only run klotz R50 in my KX500, Banshee and WXE250

    Love that smell!
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    From what I know, it's the castor bean formulation that puts out the signature smell.
    So, any premix w/ castor ingredient is going to have that old school smell

    I've used Klotz R50 by the gallon in the past. R50 has the highest % of castor bean oil formulated into the premix.
    I'm currently using Klotz Super-techniplate, also by the gallon, w/ castor bean oil formulated, but not as much as the R50. These two Klotz premix requires a motor that puts out a high cylinder/head temperature in order for the thick castor oil to separate from the fuel & premix to lubricate the metals. If you use it on a motor that doesn't create enough heat (ie, low revving motor), then the castor premix will exit out of the exhaust, and gum up the pipe, and to some extent the powervalve components, if applicable. That's the reason why I went to the Super-Techniplate from the R50, since my riding style has been toned down over the yrs.

    on my trials (not trail) bike, I'm barely going above 2k rpms 95% of my riding time. I won't use those two klotz w/ castor, instead I'm using the Klotz for TC-W2 (watercraft) applications. They're formulated to fall out of suspension at lower cumbustion temperatures. Unfortunately, I don't get that old school smoker smell. Bummer for sure!
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    I have a bottle I've been hoarding for a special occasion. I'll post up a picture of it soon. Not sure of the castor content.
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  15. snarlyjohn

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    There are plenty of good castor blends around, and a modern one will give you the smell and the lubrication benefits of the old straight castors without the drop-out, and without being quite so dirty and gummy. Maxima 927, Elf 909, Shell M, Silkolene Pro KR2 are a few that come to mind, your local kart shop will have something.

    I was concerned about oil dropout during storage using Shell M so as an experiment I put some fresh premix in a glass jar on a shelf in the garage. It's been there 12 months now and that period included many sub-freezing nights. Still no sign of separation so I no longer worry about storing premix and have had no issues with using Shell M premix that was several weeks old. It'll still gum up the rings eventually though, so mightn't be the best choice for a daily rider.

    If you plan on switching to castor try this: measure your compression pressure before you switch. When you've done 8 or so hrs or so of running with the castor check the pressure again; it'll be measurably higher because of the improved ring seal.
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  16. Dao1

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    Agreed that there's other good castor blends around.
    I've used many of those labels you've listed, including the very hard to find
    Elf (matto cycle is/was the only one I knew who sold it). And, unfortunately, I've never seen
    shell M 2 stroke oil being avail, or talked about, in the US, as I sure would like to check it out,
    assuming the price is right.

    I was a die hard Motul 800 for many yrs.
    WHy I'm now a Klotz customer is, it's every bit as good as the Motul 800 imho,
    has a stronger bean smell to it, and b/c it's
    made & bottled in the rust belt of the usa,
    shipping & distribution costs are
    lower, thus retail & wholesale price is hard to beat.
    Klotz R50 & S/T=$44 a gal
    Motul 800=$68 a gal
    Silkonene pro 2s = $66 a gal


    If you're old school and you like to mix it at 32:1, and ride from sun up to sun down,
    a gal goes empty real fast.
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    Motul 800 (and other straight esters) are very popular here, but for very high output air cooled engines they simply aren't good enough. I used to run a piston port single with about 50hp, the very large intake port left the rear thrust skirt of the piston very poorly supported and so the piston would scuff badly with M800 ( I believed at the time the marketing propaganda espousing the superiority of synthetics). Changing to castor based oils eliminated the scuffing entirely as well as providing small but measurable increases in compression and on the dyno.
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  19. spokester

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    Here's the bottle I've been hoarding... DSCN1454.JPG

    I guess it's not a castor? DSCN1455.JPG
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  20. spokester

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    Re-reading the back label, it says "racy odor"!
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