Cleveland National Forest Report

Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by Mike Mike Motorbike, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. notmybikemodelname

    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?


    NO.
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  2. CA Stu

    CA Stu Thanks Super Moderator

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    Sure you can. Be prepared to do a bit of searchin' for the entrance... :augie

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  3. RandyM

    RandyM Less talk, More ride

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    My Garmin Street Navigation Software looks the same as the Google map. I suppose they all use the same database.

    I'm just speculating that the database was updated to indicate that either the roads were closed or that they are 4WD roads. If that is the case then they would not want to include these roads in navigation software or a navigation service like google or mapquest.

    I have a recent version of Delorme Topo and they show all the roads and all the hiking trails.

    I like the Forrest Service maps. They are good for the roads and trails but are probably not up to date with all the housing tracts building right up to the national forrest boundry.
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  4. Mike Mike Motorbike

    Mike Mike Motorbike Been here awhile

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    Listen!
    I Know how to get up there....
    What I'm asking is if its legally open to ride up there from lincoln?

    If you don't know then PLEASE refrain from comment.

    So-far I have one reply says No and the other says open in november.

    Has anybody been caught riding in a closed areas ?
    Do they patrol closed areas ?
    What do they do tell you your in a closed area / ticket / jail ?
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  5. notmybikemodelname

    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?
    $1000 fine and confiscate the bike............they say......... could be more, could be less. I have gone around, under, over, but not caugth yet.
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  6. GoNOW

    GoNOW Long timer

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    The only open roads is the route from Blue Jay to Indian Truck Trail. All public access (including hiking trails) are closed from the peak north. Holy Jim hiking trail is open.

    Yes they patrol closed areas. Several of use here patrol the closed areas, but as volunteers, we can't (yet) do anything about it. We can call you in so you will find a nice CNF ranger when you exit that will happily show you what a ticket looks like. :D

    The roads are closed because of the burn area. with no brush on the hills, guys just break any trail they want to. Leading to massive erosion problems. Do us all a favor and stay out of the closed areas. The sooner that area regrows, the sooner everyone can get up there.
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  7. Mike Mike Motorbike

    Mike Mike Motorbike Been here awhile

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    I went up to skyline last weekend to see if it was open.
    The website said it was open then closed at main divide.
    The gate was closed.....
    Some nice mountain bikers noticed me trying to figure out how that amazing gate lock works and said "you pull this lever and it releases that one".
    Their was no lock.....hmmm?
    The forest service website says its open the gate is not locked , I have never seen a ranger up here before, my brothers have never rode here and I wanted to show them....

    I feel it is safe to continue....
    Lets ride.

    We get to the top and I show them this and that.

    Me " Ok we have to turn back from here".

    Bro " How about that gate? Does it have a lock?"

    Me " OH NO , NO WAY we are going through that gate! "

    Just then a ranger pulls up hmmm?
    He see our plates and says "darn I thought I was going to get to wright tickets".

    "OK lets have a look at those bikes"

    Bike one no DOT tire Pipe OK.
    Bike two same .
    Bike three DOT Tires OK , No spark arrester! Doh!

    We get a little speech.
    about non DOT tires making an unnecessary dent in the earth...

    He tells us how he could give my brother a ticket and if their is a fire his bike could be tested and if there are sparks coming out he would be charged and billed for the fire response and even charged with manslaughter if someone was killed.
    OR we could push his bike out since he did not see us riding the bike up there.

    So we pushed the bike up the hill and coasted it all they way down out.
    Seeing another ranger as we coasted by.


    We did not argue with him or make a lot of excuses we just listen to what he had to say.

    My brother said I think that guy was great , he could of really screwed us.
    I thought hmmm I wonder how many people get their bike towed by being jerks to the rangers...

    As soon as we got home he tried to put the stock pipe back on butt needed a part , I think he went Monday to get it..........



    In his defense He just bought the bike and just hadn't gotten around to putting it back on.
    We NEVER ride without ALL the legal stuff Just this one time......
    I guess that all it takes.




    Anyway Skyline is open.
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  8. GoNOW

    GoNOW Long timer

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    Dang. Never had them inspect for DOT tires. Not sure if they could write a ticket for that. Only spark arrestor and non street legal bikes. You must have really ticked them off. :D

    Skyline road from Corona to the top of the hill should be open. Here is a quick map.

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    Red area is no public access at all.
    Orage is hike or bike only.
    Non color section are in a normal access state.
    The current plan is to have everything opened back up Nov 9th.

    The maps of the area really need some trimming. They show a lot of roads and trails that never existed, or have long since be shut down. Or the maps are just wrong and show the road going on the wrong side of the hill, etc. I am working to make some better maps, and I have tracks of most of the roads, but trying to find a base topo map I can layer the correct trails over and redistribute for free seems imposable.
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  9. Pointman0853

    Pointman0853 Unregistered Gun Owner

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    As a USFS patroller, I have a key to the Indian Truck/No. Main divide gate that leads to Santiago Peak.:D

    I need a week to plan a 'patrol' ride there. Who wants to go? Limit is 8 bikes. You must be registered with Debra Clark in Corona as an USFS volunteer. :deal

    Pointman
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  10. Pointman0853

    Pointman0853 Unregistered Gun Owner

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    Stu,

    Most of the trails south of the Ortega (74) and west of So. Main Divide are pretty well overgrown now. Most of this is a 'wilderness' area, and even the few equestrians that venture out there have problems.

    There is a trail that leads out of our community all the way down to Tenaja Falls, but it is severly overgrown and would need some serious work to be passable.

    Pointman

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  11. foxgguy2001

    foxgguy2001 Cake

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    My bikes in a bit of a tear down right now, but as soon as it's up I'd be very interested in getting involved in a patrol ride, as well as volunteering in any way i can.

    Sent a PM to you in that regard pointman, look forward to hearing back.

    ~Fox
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  12. Mike Mike Motorbike

    Mike Mike Motorbike Been here awhile

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    Hells Kitchen!

    We rode up Indian truck trail over to ortega.
    Tried to find a trail to wildomar and found a driveway with an armed resident ........ I informed him we are not trying to ride on his land just took a wrong turn.......
    Saw hang gliders jumping off a cliff over Lake Elsinore and had a beer at Hells kitchen.
    It was fun to look at all the Harley guys dressed up in their biker costumes while they looked at us in our dirt bike gear.
    Hot chicks though I may have to get a hog....
    70 mile ride.
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  13. CA Stu

    CA Stu Thanks Super Moderator

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    Google maps now shows all of the roads out there again...

    Magic!

    :rolleyes

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  14. Ace100

    Ace100 Monkeywrencher

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    Does anyone here know if the roads closed due to the fires are still re-opening this November?
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  15. shleppy

    shleppy Shlepdawg on da smoov tip

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    yep.. here the 411 on the planned reopening in Nov.

    (fyi ....the two announcements below are from a local mountain biking group that works very closely with the cleveland national forest to maintain the hiking trails)


    Here announcement #1 sent a few weeks ago:

    The Main Divide Road and Maple Springs Road are currently scheduled to be reopened on Nov. 9.

    The District Ranger said that if we get the road repairs finished sooner they will reopen sooner.

    The trails in the burn area will not be reopened until there is better recovery. Silverado (Motorway) trail will probably be reopened since it wasn't burned, but there was dozer damage and we'll need to be certain it is ready.

    As you know, many forest visitors do not have the ethics to stay on roads and trails and the damage in these sensitive areas will be permanent if they get full access.


    Here a follow up announcement sent sept 21st

    After negotiating with the Forest Service we are confident that all of the forest, with the exception of the Harding Truck Trail, will be opened on November 9th. Originally they had planned to open only Maple Springs, the Silverado Trail and the Main Divide from Black Star to Maple Springs. The only issue which will prevent this forest opening is if the fire danger rating is critical due to the expected fall dry Santa Ana winds. As I previously mentioned in past weekly news we cannot afford another fire in the areas that have burned or this will severely jeopardize the chaparral environment from recovering allowing the further invasion of non-native plants and grasses.

    One warning: the closure may be reinitiated if off-trail use cannot be controlled. The Forest Service is mandated to protect and assist the recovery of the burn areas by both the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) and AQMD regulations related to air quality (dust from the burn areas). If off trail use results in the increasing erosion of the burned areas the Forest Service can be sued by environmental groups forcing a long lasting closure. What these environmental groups could not accomplish through Wilderness Bills and Forest plans could be accomplished by lawsuits due to a small group of irresponsible hikers, mountain bikers and OHV users.

    Please be responsible and stay on the trails/road when the forest reopens. Stay off the Harding Truck Trail, which will be patrolled by off-duty CHP motorcycle officers on dual sport motorcycles.

    Their will be a no-tolerance policy by the Forest Service and anyone caught off-trail will have their bike confiscated and subject to $5,000 dollar fine and jail time.
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  16. foxgguy2001

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    Will be riding skyline sunday at noon, just puttin around if anyone else happens to go.
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    Any news about early opening?
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    bump
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  19. Pointman0853

    Pointman0853 Unregistered Gun Owner

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    No big suprise here... It will be delayed...:deal Note the opening date is Monday, November the 10th. October is obviously a typo...

    Pointman

    Forest reopening

    The scheduled reopening of the Trabuco Ranger District will happen on
    Monday, October 10. The existing forest closure goes through Nov 9.

    The roads and trails will reopen but any cross country travel through the
    burn area could be cause to close until the burn area recovers. We are
    asking all trail and trail patrol volunteers to please be especially
    watchful and help us educate the public of the need to stay on the trails.

    THE BURN AREA ITSELF AND THE HARDING TRUCK TRAIL WILL REMAIN CLOSED.

    Debra
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    Debra Clarke - Wilderness / Trails Manager
    District Volunteer Coordinator
    Cleveland NF, Trabuco Ranger District
    1147 East Sixth Street
    Corona, CA 92879
    (951) 736-1811 x 3227
    (951) 736-3002 fax
    email: drclarke@fs.fed.us
    ***************************************************
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  20. ffr2370

    ffr2370 Been here awhile

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    I rode up main divide truck trail today to do my weekly Tom's Farms for lunch-and-back trek only to find the gate at Indian Truck Trail to be closed/locked, WTF??? Had to turn around and hang out at Hell's Kitchen instead. Anyone know why this trail is now closed?
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