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Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by Mike Mike Motorbike, Aug 19, 2007.
Anyone have an update on which gates are open?
More specifically, Maple Springs?
I wanna ride the 310 tonight.
Come on and Join the fun. I'll be there on my 310.
Maple Springs was closed yesterday.
the gate was closed at 3:30. doubt it will be opened. get to pound the pavement tonight.
Wheres the love brother?
Have a nice ride fuckers.
I talked to the cashier at riverside county today.
Her comment was that it was closed due to all the vandalism and problems with parties etc...
Unfortunately that enterance is on county land and they have a right to lock it.
My concern is can they legal restrict access to state lands??
I would think there would be rights of way involved.
I am sure the HOA in the neighborhood was also a huge proponent In closing the gate.
I'm going to hold onto my key for a while and see how this plays out.
See you up there this weekend, even those of you who hate it :)
Only two riders maned up tonight. Both on Husky 310's. We had beers and chili dogs at Cooks then headed up around 7pm after no sigh of anyone else showing up. Sign at ranger station said closed but we forged on anyways. got to the gate and NO DICE.
So Aram and I shot the shit for a few then headed home.
The only dirt I got to ride was down the shoulder on santiago. Stars looked nice. Next time.
On the way to work this morning on South Main Divide I saw one of the CNF green trucks towing a brand new Polaris Ranger side by side. I guess they just got a new tool to play with, It will be interesting to see how they use it.
the Adventure pass, what a rip, the goverment charging US to use OUR land!
That pass was deemed an illegal tax by the Fed Sup court last year. They can still ticket, but have no leagl right to collect or penalize for not paying. It's now been reduced to a harassment tactic.
Correction: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Pulled from VCStar:
People would no longer have to buy an Adventure Pass to spend a day in areas run by the Forest Service, as long as they don't use amenities such as restrooms or picnic tables, under a recent court decision.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this month that the Forest Service can't charge fees for simply parking, hiking, picnicking along roads or trails, or camping in undeveloped sites.
In its decision, the court cited the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act, which bans such fees. The decision applies to national forest land in all Western states.
It was good news for Alasdair Coyne, conservation director of Keep Sespe Wild and one of many outdoor enthusiasts who have been fighting the Adventure Pass fee for years.
"This is a major victory to make sure the American public can go for a walk in the national forest without buying a pass to do so," Coyne said.
The Forest Service charges people $5 a day or $30 a year for the pass, which is required in heavily visited areas of the Los Padres, Angeles, San Bernardino and Cleveland national forests. Hikers must have a pass, for example, to park along Highway 33 in Rose Valley above Ojai. The passes generally are not sold on-site and must be bought beforehand.
The passes can be a nuisance, said Cindy Wyels, a math professor at CSU Channel Islands and a regular hiker.
"As a user, it's something of an inconvenience if you have to get somewhere that sells them when you're heading out into the wilderness," Wyels said. "I would like to see the forests better funded."
The pass was introduced in 1996 and has faced opposition since. Alan Sanders, president of Ormond Beach Observers, was one of those who fought against the pass, saying it amounted to double taxation. Also, people sometimes had trouble finding places to buy it, he said.
"It was unfair to people who weren't really using the resources but still having to pay," Sanders said.
The Forest Service has 90 days to appeal the ruling. It's unclear whether it will appeal or require the pass in the meantime. Its offices were closed Monday for Presidents Day, and officials could not be reached for comment.
The case stemmed from an Arizona lawsuit in which four hikers argued the Forest Service was illegally charging fees in the Mount Lemmon area of the Coronado National Forest, near Tucson. The Forest Service didn't charge fees to people who drove through the area and only stopped at pullouts or those without a car. But it charged $5 to people who parked, then hiked, picnicked or camped in undeveloped areas.
Such a fee is illegal under the Recreation Enhancement Act, Judge Robert W. Gettleman wrote in the court's opinion, filed Feb. 9.
He compared two kinds of picnickers to explain the court's thinking. "The Forest Service fails to distinguish — as the statute does — between someone who glides into a paved parking space and sits at a picnic table enjoying a feast of caviar and champagne, and someone who parks on the side of the highway, sits on a pile of gravel, and eats on old baloney sandwich while the cars whizz by," the opinion says. "The agency collects the same fee from both types of picnickers. That practice violates the statute's plain text."
Read more: http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/feb/20/adventure-pass-in-doubt-after-federal-court/#ixzz2EObxoCeX
Her ass meant nothin to me
Thanks Rob. I was reading about the apparent pending suspension of fees but I couldn't find acknowledgement by the USFS. Articles kept eluding to USFS having the right to charge for activities once in the park but that parking vehicles was not one of them. Should we expect new fees as a result of the adv pass going away? I wonder.
i'm willing to pay to play.
We already pay. They are called taxes.