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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Hoots Magoon, Jan 6, 2014.
Nice, another piece of the pie for the mob!
Season's over, we gotta keep the thread going!
Abuse of kids, you have got to be kidding me. Most of these players wouldn't step foot on a campus if it were not for sports. $30,000 for school and another $20,000 for room and board and other benefits, for playing a game, is more than enough compensation. Abusive my ass, everyone of these young adults lives a pampered life compared to the corporate world, where if the employee doesn't perform, that employee is cut from the team. It should be no different in any sport at any competitive level (not included is t-ball and pee-wee football and the like).
Players released from scholarship can apply to the NCAA to have the 1 year ban from playing removed when transferring to another school. Most schools will help the departing student apply for the pardon if he/she is transferring to an out of conference and/or out of state school.
Here's a good article that explains a few thing about scholarships, grants in aid, and gives you a good idea of what's going on. To tell you the truth, after reading the article, I'm more in favor of a players unions than I was before reading it. :huh
"The Most Evil Thing about College Sports"
Athletic scholarships are no guarantee of a four-year education. They can be yanked after one year, for any reason
Pray tell, what's the value of one or two years of this unbelievable deal, if they're then cut?
The fact that they have to do anything to overcome the one-year ban is obscene. You seem to recognize that.
The truest thing you wrote is that most of these kids don't belong on a college campus. You're right. But admitting that does sort of undercut what you claim about the value of their education.
They're not students and the school's not there to turn them into educated men. They're there for football.
That's why I hope this union thing gets traction.
The value is they have a chance. Many people would give their right leg for that chance, but then they would lose their scholly since they only have one leg.
They also can step down to Div 1AA or Div 2 or 3, and not lose a year if they are good enough to make those teams. A link from a few years ago
If a player transfers to the same conference, within the same state, or a team that is on the next years schedule, then I agree with the ban, unless the school agrees to the instate/in-conference transfer. If a FSU player wanted off the team or lost his scholarship, then he would be able to play at LSU but not FAU(unless FSU OKed the move to FAU).
Or they cannot afford Division I schools.
I disagree. 99% of these players are not going to make it into the professional leagues. The schools are giving them an opportunity not just football but in all sports. Football is just the most profitable right now and allowing these schools to afford more programs. How do we compensate evenly with other sports, Title IX.
By allowing players to be paid, Schools like Texas, Auburn , & Notre Dame (where no expenses are spared) would pay top wages for 5 star recruits, leaving the directional schools with what is left.
So you're OK with a school signing a kid, cutting him and denying him the chance to play anywhere he wants?
That's abusive. Someday it will be illegal.
It's obvious to all that these guys are, mostly, not students, not college material. They are unpaid employees whose work is used to fund athletic departments and, through alumni fundraising, universities themselves.
My hope is that the entire hypocritical system is blown up. If that happens, something that both you and I enjoy may be changed forever.
But at least it will end what is a fundamentally immoral practice.
....from a lower level school is my cousin's kid, Nick Belcher. He just graduated from South Carolina State University and is a kicker.
He plays in the College Allstar Game on 2/14 in Greenville & then flies to NY the next day for the combines at the NY Jets Facility. Keep him in your thoughts - he's been working his ass off to get ready and he's had some help last summer from a pro kicking coach whose name escapes me. Nick's got a strong leg - 50 yard field goals seem to be pretty easy for him.
The interesting part is that Nick was adopted - life may have started out rough but the kid is doing just great.
Yes, I am OK with that. It is in the best intrest of all schools to limit where the athletes can go, just like I can't go from Bio-tech to Bio-tech sharing trade secrets.
Ahhh, so they are indeed employees, not "student athletes."
NSD is less then a week!
Yes, I know it's in the best interests of the schools. But it's immoral, abusive and will someday, possibly very soon, be illegal.
It's in the best interests of a mining company to limit where it's workers can go...
Look, I DON'T think they are, or should be, full employees, but FFS, simple fairness and common sense ought to dictate that a player should ONLY have to sit out for a year if THEY choose to leave the school. If the school chooses, then they should be able to go to ANY fucking school and play, regardless of division or conference. If you're afraid to play against a kid, DON'T FUCKING CUT THEM.
That sounds reasonable. I would maybe add if a team cuts a player for rule violations or illegal activity, rather than simple ability.
What is the policy for the 1 year of ineligibility if a team cuts a player?
There are variables involved. Some of the cut players will have no restriction, others will have restrictions. The article I read didn't make clear why.
There are exceptions to one one-year rule made when a kid leaves the school for a good reason. Jay Prosch was playing at Illinois when his mother was diagnosed with brain cancer. Jay transferred to Auburn and the NCAA waived the one-year rule due to his circumstances.
A good recap of the story.
His mother passed away just after Jay played his first game in an Auburn uniform.
"After playing in Auburn's 2012 season opener against Clemson, Prosch drove straight home to Mobile to be with Iris. She passed away the next morning, and 24 hours later he paid tribute to her by being back in class and practice at Auburn. The following Saturday, he played against Mississippi State."
Football became his relief mechanism I suppose.
Texas had $165.7 million in operating revenue and $146.8 million in operating expenses for 2012-13, according to its latest annual financial report to the NCAA.
Looks like Texas is national champs at the only thing they really care about.....
some of this recruiting is downright creepy:
"LSU offensive coordinator Cam Cameron even went so far as to buy plane tickets to sit on a flight with three recruits from the state of Louisiana to and from their recruiting visit to UCLA."
Didn't realize ol' AJ was such a whiner.
"AJ McCarron blames Alabamas failures on Alabamas past success"