Colorado GPS questions (Garmin 60csx)

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  1. Raul Duke

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    My point is the way I usually use a GPS when I have a planned route is I want to upload a route or track that I want to follow - I Know where Ive been, I dont usually need to look backwards.
    The fact is you will only be able to have 500 pts on a uploaded saved track file. If you are trying to upload a track file, it cannot be over 500 pts per file - if you try and force it, it will dumb it down for you.
    For instance, if you had a file from your card tracklog - say previous track history for a full day you wanted to ride again - (I assume it would be over 500 points) When you try to upload that entire track back to the unit from Mapsource it will actually dumb it down to max 500 points when you try to upload it to the unit as 1 file track file. Which means you either have to break up the bigger track file into 500 pt sections for a maximum of 20 files if you want to retain track detail. For longer rides, this is a huge PITA if you ask me. I really like seeing detailed tracks/routes, not dumbed down estimates of once detailed tracks.
    Active log shows where you have been - which doesnt help me when I am doing a multiday ride where I need lots of detailed tracks of where I need to go - which is why I personally go the mapset route. The only limitations you have is memory itself - which I think it caps at like 2gb or something for map imgages. I actually have a mapset for all of the NFS singletrack in CO on my GPS at all times. Try to do that with 20 500pt track files.:lol3

    Here was another thread on ADV about the same thing...
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193111



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  2. RideFreak

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    the 20 track/500 point limit isn't a big issue unless you are on multiday rides. I can comfortably get about 3 days off road out of the 20/500 constraint.
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  3. Raul Duke

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    :nod It will also depend on how detailed (how close together) your points are. I tend to take/use very detailed tracks because I make compiled maps with my tracks. If you are just riding roads or known places you prob do not need lots of detail and you could get away with fewer points.

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  4. KMC1

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    Some great info on here!

    I just bought a 60CSX a couple days ago, and am in the process of setting it up. Great info on things like using google earth and stuff. I'm just starting out with it, so this is all new to me. I really appreciate all this discussion! :freaky
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  5. NMTrailboss

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    What is the advantage of navigating a trip using tracks instead of using the routes created on Mapsource/Basecamp? I've always used routes with no issues, but maybe I'm missing something here. :ear
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    Routes tend to reduce the detail of the intended path with long straight sections between points. If you're not using routable maps and have your way planned, I don't see their advantage. If there's allot of pavement and you need to find stuff like fuel, food etc... routes might be a good idea although personally I don't like to rely on auto routing to find such things as fuel, its only going to work as long as the data is relevant and up to date.

    Tracks really help when you have allot of trails and dirt roads in the vicinity of the ride or you're finding something in the middle of nowhere which happens allot around here.

    NMTB, everything I've ever gotten from you is in tracks?
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    Routes tend to do some really strange things unless you really have your act together. I don't. Every time I have tried to use a route something bad happens.

    First the route is recomputed on the unit and it might not come out the same as on the computer. You have to have the road avoidances and preferences match. If you miss a turn the route wants to recalculate and this can lead to some wild gyrations. Routing wants to autozoom the screen in and out. These last two can be turned off.

    Routing wants to rotate the screen to show what to do when you get to a turn. This unnerving when trying to ride.

    Anyway I gave up and use tracks. I only use routing for ad hoc changes.

    We were on a ride last week and one of the guys created an ad hoc route to get us back to town. The route took us in the exact opposite direction of where we wanted to go because he had his preferences set to avoid dirt roads. They guy didn't realize it since he was using Track Up orientation. I was too far behind him to get him to stop.
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  8. NMTrailboss

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    Chris,

    Yes, everything I've sent you is in tracks because I'm sending you actual tracks of trips I've already ridden and kept active track logs of. When I'm planning a new trip/ride though, I usually draw it out as a route. I have never used any auto-routing functions or routable maps (only using Mapsource 100K Topo) so when I draw a route, I just follow the bright purple line across the map on the GPS! Maybe this is too simple, but it seems to work OK for me. I'm referring to mostly off road here...not cross country on highways and interstates where I could see the auto-routing being a good feature. It seems that when I've tried to navigate by tracks that they are much harder to see on the screen than the bright, purple route. I am not using the turn-by-turn directions at all...just following the route/track line on the GPS map screen. I was just curious if there was something about using tracks that I haven't learned yet and could use in the future.
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  9. NMTrailboss

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    Are you using City Navigator or 24K or some map that auto-routes? Using 100K Topo, I've never had issues with routes doing strange things or recomputing on the unit. They seem to transfer to the GPS exactly the way I drew them on Mapsource. The maps on Mapsource aren't always accurate so sometimes the routes are off because of that, but that is no fault of the GPS or routes themselves.

    I must have my GPS set up with simple functions. My screen never rotates at an upcoming turn, it only rotates when I turn the bike in a different direction. :dunno
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  10. James Adams

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    The Garmin US Topo 24K maps are routable (trails included). I use this all the time on my 62--it's one of my favorite things about it.
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  11. Raul Duke

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    If you cannot autoroute on the maps themselves, you will be limited to 50 routes of 50 pts each on uploaded routes - fine for road riding, but sucks in BFE.
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  12. NMTrailboss

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    On the 60CSx using Mapsource 100K Topo, I usually draw routes up to around 200 via points each which works well. Not sure how many total you can upload to the GPS, but I had about 23 routes of 150-200 via points each loaded for my Utah trip this summer.
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  13. Raul Duke

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    If they were routes, Im guessing they were dumbed down to 50pts when you did the upload to the unit.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240803

    My understanding is the limit is 50 routes of 50pts each.
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  14. SnowMule

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    "Routes" are highly dependent on the mapset you have and the routing settings and algorithms on the GPS.

    Two waypoints, A and B, might route one way on a Garmin, and using the "same" settings, route you a different way on a Magellan. Using tracks as a breadcrumb trail is going to be the same regardless of what unit you're viewing them on.
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  15. NMTrailboss

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    I have never had a route limit to 50 via points. :dunno It seems they are talking about auto-routing functions in that thread which I am not using...don't know if this has anything to do with the 50 point limit or not. I am only drawing routes to follow via point to via point not caring whether it is on a road or not. In the second post, he states "Direct or "off-road" routes can have 250 waypoints..." which seems to be about what I get +/-. When drawing out the routes, I usually start looking for an ending point when I get near 200 via points...sometimes a little over 200, sometimes a little under. I do know that all of the via points transfer to the GPS and can be seen and used as long as I keep the routes in the 200-250 via point range. With 200+/- via points, I can usually draw routes of 80-100 miles of DS riding with pretty good detail (obviously less if drawing for single track). This usually works out to 2-3 routes drawn for a days riding depending on how closely I follow the roads and how long the ride is.
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  16. NMTrailboss

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    This would only be true if using auto-routing functions though, right? :ear If you were just following a given route from via point to via point as you drew it out on Mapsource this would not matter, no?
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  17. Raul Duke

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    Understanding Routes
    MapSource can generate a route from one location to one or more waypoints, addresses, intersections, or Points of Interest. MapSource shows routes as colored lines on the Graphic Map. Routes you select in the Routes tab or on the Graphic Map are highlighted in yellow and include arrows to show the direction of the route.
    After you have created a route, you can use the Route Properties window to edit the route by adding, removing, or changing the order of the points along the route.

    Route Tips:
    • <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You can create routes in MapSource or transfer them from a Garmin GPS device.

      <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The points within a route are called called Vias. See Editing Route Properties for more information.

      <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In addition to auto-routes (routes that follow streets and highways), MapSource allows you to create direct routes (straight line, "as the crow flies" routes). See Setting Route Preferences for more information.

      <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">MapSource generates a list of directions for each route. You can view and/or print this list by clicking the Directions tab in the Route Properties window. See Editing Route Properties for more information.
    • Routes appear in the Routes tab on the left side of the screen. You can save routes in a file on your computer. See Saving Your Data for more information.
    For more information on routes, see the following topics:
    Using the Routes Tab
    Creating a Route Using the Route Tool
    Creating a Route Using the Route Properties Window
    Creating a Route to Selected Waypoints
    Editing a Route
    Viewing a Vertical Profile
    Setting Route Preferences
    Working with Avoidances
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  18. Raul Duke

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    Its always confused me as to how they use the term "points" and how they relate to tracks, active logs, and routes (not to mention via points). I do think you are correct withthe 250 limit on via points..... I think...
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  19. NMTrailboss

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    I just know that this works for me as far as drawing and following routes on the 60CSx and I know I can use 200ish via points per route. I still think there is something I'm not understanding about navigating using tracks, but maybe it is only more beneficial if using auto-routing maps.

    Thanks for the routing tutorial!! :thumb
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  20. FatChance

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    Everyone has their own opinions about tracks vs. routes just like no one can define what Adventure riding is. For some people, adventure riding is loading a dirt bike onto a trailer and trailering it somewhere, riding an obscure singletrack, then trailering it home. Others might load up their new GS/ADV and take a two month trip from Florida to Alaska just hitting convenient dirt roads once in a while, others pull a trailer with their TW200 to go camping, others might just take afternoon rides to explore the area they live in and never leave pavement, others just sit in their mom's basements and post to Jo Momma.

    Depending on how you use your motorcycle you might be better off using tracks or direct routing or turn-by-turn routing. One isn't better than the other but they all have their own advantages for certain situations. I've been using Garmin GPSs for years and my preference is most often turn-by-turn routing because of the places we ride when my wife and I take our GSs on multi-week rides up to Idaho and Montana each summer. Others who do more off-road/singletrack prefer tracks because the trails may be more free form with a lot of decisions based on local conditions or they trails they ride may not be route-able. It also depends on the maps you are using and what capabilities they have. Some people are happy seeing a blue line on a map that they follow others like the device to let them know how far away the next road turn is and what to do when they get there.

    I haven't had a need to share where I've gone over the years so the portability of how to get from A to B and someone else being able to use it is a non-issue. Properly set up for the planned ride, tracks or routes can both be used by other people. My wife rides with me and she has my old 276C on her bike and I have a Montana 600 on mine and I've never once had a problem with the two units recalculating our routes differently. Tracks work well to retrace where you or someone else has gone and routing works well to plan on going on roads you haven't been on before.

    As you use your GPS over time you will find out what works best for your needs if you keep an open mind and try different methods of using its abilities. Many of us get used to using tracks or routes and it sounds like one is better than the other from some of these posts, but really they each have situations where one works better than the other.
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