Colorado GPS questions (Garmin 60csx)

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  1. SnowMule

    SnowMule [angry moth noises]

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    I log tracks damn near everywhere I ride. The cool thing is you can select-all, pull them into Google Earth or wherever, and see everywhere you rode in an area over a season.

    Another cool thing you can do with those tracks... geo-tag your photos. Track log is a list of date/time-stamps with lat/long/elev attached to them. Cameras time-stamp photos. Ther'es software out there that'll pair the data between the two.

    For places I rarely ride and don't know well, it's nice to go back and look at tracks/pics and see what's where. Build a saved track with a few points over the main trails and push them to the GPS.
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  2. NMTrailboss

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    Nice post Dale! Thanks for that! :thumb

    I've always used routes / direct routing and that seems to work well for me. I just noticed that it seems most people are using tracks so I was trying to figure out what the advantages (if any) are if NOT using auto-routing. I guess I just need to make identical routes and tracks and try both on my next ride!! :deal
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  3. FatChance

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  4. Pomo

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    I have a 60 CSx and I've only ever used maps from that site. I'm too cheap to pay for Garmin maps for every state I visit. It varies state-to-state how good the maps are. Some don't show city/town names on the GPS screen, some do (it's usually pretty easy to tell either way from a confluence of roads). Some have super accurate backroads, others are a little coarser, and some have roads that must have existed over 20 years ago, but aren't there any more. They all have great topo accuracy, as far as I've bothered to check. As I recall the CO topo maps they host are pretty good, though.

    In my experience 99% of the time they have the road that I'm on/looking for (e.g. TAT, CDT, solo rides I map out using Google). The other 1% a little common sense (which honestly is all I have) and a paper map got me from A to B. :deal
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  5. Raul Duke

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    Well said. There are limitations of each, and it comes down to personal preference as well as using the right tool for the right job.

    And on top of all that, you can throw in your own custom mapsets which can take you one step further if points, routes, or tracks dont quite do what you want them to do. When we do the Monkey-Butt route each year, I have found it is just easier to build a custom mapset for the ride. When we tried to use track files or routes in the past there were always people in the group that would muff them up somehow. Mapsets seem to be the most foolproof for that purpose - and the easiest to follow with the most detail. Basically you say "Day 1 follow the blue line. Day 2 follow the green line. Day 3 follow the red line." I go one step further than that even and make custom exe mapset installers so that someone just needs to run the exe and it will just install the Monkey-Butt mapset to thier mapsource/basecamp. In the long run, its made my life much easier right before the ride - either it installs or it doesnt. :lol3

    Lots of possibilities with these units.... it is really only limited by what you learn about them.:freaky
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  6. RideFreak

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    Sounds like you're using the route like a track. The GPS has that other screen designed for following a route, I've never used it though.
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  7. wbbnm

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    I do mainly use CN on my computer and create auto-routes. Sometimes I have to use 24k Topos when the roads I want aren't in CN. I convert those routes to tracks for navigation.


    Yes it is the autorouting that causes most of the problems. If you use 100k Topos, there is not much difference between tracks and the direct routing these maps use. My eyes are still not too bad and I can see the tracks if I pick a good color. But I have several friends who really need that thick magenta line. I understand some units like the 276 can treat the track like a route and put the thick line in. Autorouting will only allow 50 way or via points in a route. I learned this the hard way once. There is a much higher limit for direct routes.

    There are some who advocate creating finely sampled direct routes using 100k Topos and using these to navigate. These will then of course show up with the magenta line when activated.

    I tried this once because it seems like a good way to augment the 20 track limit in the 60. It worked well. Another advantage or disadvantage depending on how you look at it is the the "track" does not show up unless you activate it for navigation.


    **Edit: I also know for a fact like NMTrailBoss that the 50 way/via point limit does not apply to Direct Routes. I have heard the limit is 256 but do not know that for a fact. The one time I tried it I had maybe 200.
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  8. FatChance

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    The 100k maps do not support routes.

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  9. Raul Duke

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    So the "points" you guys are talking about with your route are actually considered waypoints, aren't they? If thats the case, isnt there a 1000 waypoint total limit for the unit?
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  10. NMTrailboss

    NMTrailboss Team Dead End

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    When creating routes in Mapsource and drawing point to point, each click of the mouse creates a 'via point'. Via points are technically waypoints but you cannot rename or alter them like you can with regular waypoints and I don't believe they count towards the total waypoints limit for the unit.
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  11. Raul Duke

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    Interesting! When you do not have a map showing in mapsource, it creates route points as waypoints, not via points. Show the map and they are via points. Go figure???

    Thanks for the route processes you guys use, Im learning some new stuff here!:clap
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  12. snooker

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    Raul, this was informative... however it seems that all the links go to your hard drive files and are not URL's ??? Is there a pointer to the online doc you were referring to? thanks.
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  13. Raul Duke

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    This is directly from the installed Garmin Mapsource "help" file.
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  14. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    sent you a PM.

    i have a 60csx and toggle among city nav (routable), 100k topo (non-routable), roads & rec (non-routable & great road coverage) and the free ones too.

    i use routes at times and tracks at others. all depends on what i'm planning to ride and what roads are showing up the various maps.
    booth are usefull! at times i also hand draw tracks in Google Earth and transfer to gps as it's visual only.
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  15. eakins

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    if we all had access on ADV to local files on you computer you'd be in a world of computer security breach shit storm :D
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  16. Raul Duke

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    :nod
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