Coming to Colorado to ride? Some things to consider...

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by neduro, Apr 20, 2015.

  1. neduro

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    Jeff Slavens, of Slavens racing, has been around and involved with Colorado trails for more years that I've been alive. Below is an excerpt of his latest email to customers (worth subscribing to, it has tech tips and etc in addition to hawking his wares). I think it's important reading, especially for folks who are considering making the trip here. These same thoughts very much apply whether you are on trail or passes and fire-roads.

    Last year, we had a few bad situations with out-of-staters coming to CO, going off-trail to get around snowbanks and obstacles, and creating real problems for the local clubs trying to maintain access to the trails we all love. If you are coming to visit, welcome, and please keep these ideas in mind. If you live here, they are still relevant, and if you know someone coming to visit, maybe forward this along.

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    Brake "Tractor right up it"

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    Great info from Slaven's. I get his emails and they are always informative and at times expensive:lol3. But definitely great info about out of state ohv users in Colorado.

    I have a, very responsible, buddy who is coming out from Iowa in a couple weeks and I was informing him of do's and dont's out here and he was shockingly suprised about what is accepted and what is not. Definitely a disconnect about what applies here in Colorado as to other states; and I'm sure vice-versa. Knowledge of surroundings is priceless....
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    Bumpity..

    Out of town riders always seem surprised when you tell them there is pretty much zero CO high country available to ride in June and even early July without saws, shovels and a willingness to put in work.
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    Perfect!! Maybe we could post this in the west region too? And whatever region Texas is in? Its going to be a nice long season for us here in the SW so hopefully we won't have the early arrivals problem like we had last year.
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    Augdog1964 2015 BMW R1200GSA

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    Would this permit / sticker for riding in CO be applicable for the TAT as well? First time I've seen that discussion in all the TAT writeups I've viewed.
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    Depends on who you ask... its a real long story.... Just buy one and feel good about it is the best, quickest answer.
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I'm sure glad that more people are trying to get this message out. I'm old enough to remember when you could go anywhere. Then things started getting closed. The Jeep clubs got the idea first, and started to try and be good custodians of the trails. that was mid 1960's. Takes lots of peer pressure to educate. More and more are realizing that we need to take care of what we have, or LOOSE it FOREVER! The education is slow, especially when you come from a "wet" place where things grow or the land repairs itself quickly. I see where the Jeep crowd has been fairly effective, and more and more the motorcycle crowd is getting the message. But the newest on the trails are always last to get it. So I think the least educated is the ATV crowd.. I have been told too many times "The dealer said we could go ANYWHERE with these". As she road away with a couple kids on the back, following her hubby. That was in Mt Zirkel wilderness!

    PLEASE "STAY THE TRAIL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  8. neduro

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    By the letter of the law, yes. Same for the BDR.
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    Yeah I've found many out of town riders are surprised to hear much of Colorado high country dirt only has a very short window to enjoy it from. I tell them July should be open but sloppy or even blocked in places. Aug. is open yet you can get massive monsoon rains and the trails can be shit. 1st 2 weeks in Sept. are often the most ideal. Late sept. can often be closed out with early snow.

    So the response is the ideal time to ride Colorado is only 2 weeks every years? Not exactly but at times not too far off depending on how the storm patterns and snow pack treat ya. The hidden truth is Colorado is not the ideal place for a long dirt ridding season, but when it's on it's on & get it while you can. AZ, NM, & UT supports Colo. during shoulder/off seasons.

    There is a much longer window for riding the sweet paved mtn roads.
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    I could be wrong, but I thought OHV stickers were for bikes (tagged or not) using atv and singletrack trails (but not jeep/primary roads) or has that changed again?

    BDRs (& the TAT) use only state, county and forest roads (primary and jeep).
    We have alot of jeepers who drive these too and they don't need a stickers do they?

    We have had no reports of COBDR riders ever having any OHV sticker issues with a LEO. Not even a report of someone even being questioned?

    Are you saying any bike anywhere in the NF needs a sticker?
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    This may be a good "sticky" thread for a bit. :freaky
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    Nothing has changed.

    Technically, my understanding is that anything traveling on a route on the MVUM needs a sticker. Federal, State, and County roads are not on the MVUM, but many fairly major and well-graded dirt routes are.

    They don't enforce it evenly, often if you are on a dirt-looking bike they are more likely to stop you but not if you are in a jeep or a station wagon or a street-ish looking bike... but to the letter of the law, MVUM = sticker is my understanding, and it doesn't matter whether you're in a Honda Civic or a Jeep or on a GS or a TTR-125.

    The other thing to keep in mind, is that the sticker fund is something that benefits us directly. It's not a general fund tax, the $25.25 goes to something you might well appreciate, whether on this trip or another one.

    It's frustrating to try to understand this rule when it's not clearly written, not evenly enforced, and every LEO seems to have a different interpretation.

    A few years ago, they had been operating that if you had a plate you didn't need a sticker, in direct conflict with the law as written. Nothing changed legally, but suddenly they decided you need both on a street--titled motorcycle on "trail". But "trail" isn't how it's defined legally... so I assume that in another few years the enforcement threshold may change again.

    One wonders if the confusion is intentional... :norton
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    Sounds like it was written to create confusion, which is not good.
    Create a confusion law and then over time work to get more to pay into the system.

    Knowing how the MVUMs look, i'd say those solid white in the middle roads (primary road) will be excluded and anything with a black & white alternate look (jeep road) or atv & singletrack will enforced with a sticker. I have no doubt the jeep or bike going down that jeep road will be stopped while the Subaru or Prius using that road (to get a camp spot) will not.

    Is there a website to see what is collected and how the funds are really used?
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    Gitana A work in progress

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    Ned, any chance you can sticky this post, at least for the summer?
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    Sasquatch2112 Old, slow, fat guy just riding around.

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    Let me see if I got this straight, My buddies are riding BDR this July on dual sport bikes, they need to have a CO sticker on the bike. I am in a truck providing support for them, most likely nobody will say a thing but I SHOULD get a sticker also. If I stay to the county roads I don't need one.

    I don't mind paying the fees but the confusion is a PITA.

    My buddy has a cabin near Tincup and I love how open the spaces are for riding! Not like here in Kali!
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    Indeed it is.

    The overall feedback/response I've gotten from many out of state ADV riders who are planning on doing the COBDR this summer and beyond is screw buying a sticker from Colorado if they continue to play this game. If there is a law (& $ collected) it should be written very clearly or it's a bogus law and thus should be ignored.

    If you look at the MVUM maps
    http://www.staythetrail.org/index.p...ayout=category&task=category&id=18&Itemid=222

    There are 4 categories of travel on the legend (plus a 5th - non-FS road)
    #1 -county/state/public road (solid grey line)
    #2 -open to highway legal (2 parallel lines w/ clear center)
    #3 -open to all vehicles (2 parallel lines w/ a black dashed center)
    #4 -50" or less in width (dashed black line)
    #5 -motorcycle only/singletrack (black dot line)

    The confusion (as far as i get this) is this; is a sticker needed for #2-5, #3-5 or just #4-5 as it has been enforced in the past?
    To me, does #3 need a sticker or not is the heart of the confusion & enforcement.

    The COBDR uses #1-3 roads w/ much of them being #1 (dirt) & #2 w/ sections of #3.

    A properly worded law/reg should use the same wording as the MVUM and state which roads/trails are included or not for needing a sticker!
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    Speaking of the MVUM maps
    http://www.staythetrail.org/index.p...ayout=category&task=category&id=18&Itemid=222

    Avenza app http://www.avenza.com/pdf-maps is key to have on your smartphone even if you use a GPS. You then load the MVUM .pdfs on your phone and then the GPS unit in your phone (no cell signal needed) shows where you are exactly located on that MVUM map overlaid. You then can plan your next turn of figure out where you are if lost.

    My setup is a Garmin GPS in a cradle attached to my bars w/ my cell phone in a top map pocket of my tank bag (protected from dirt & vibration)

    Free printed MVUM maps are available for each ranger district at the different FS offices. Some FS offices have a few different ones for adjacent areas. The maps are nice to have but are bulky and rip easy out in the field.
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    eddie bolted BOING!!!

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    Do I need a sticker if I meet them every night and drink beer with them(SCOTTY said I could):lol3
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