Concours anybody?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by supermotosean, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. supermotosean

    supermotosean Been here awhile

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    I've only seen pics of a couple and am wondering how many of you might have one set up as a hack and just don't say a whole lot.. I've been riding a 93 ZG1000 for about a year and a half now and I'm starting to wonder how good of a tug it would make. I have really enjoyed the EX500 setup I've been riding, but most of my riding tends to be longer distances on the highway and while the EX will do it I'm certain something with a bit more oomph would be more comfortable.

    I'll get to the point now, looking for opinions, pictures, advise, or even lies and benchracing from anybody who has owned/ridden an early Kawasaki Concours (or C10 as the COG site puts it) as a sidecar setup. Begin! :ear
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  2. twintwin

    twintwin Been here awhile

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    At the national in vermont in 2010, maybe someone here on ADV will recognize the owner with the red shirt.
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  3. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

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    That one was at this years National in Mountain View, AR also.
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  4. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    I wonder who did the center hub?
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  5. FR700

    FR700 Banned

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    He is looking for C10 not 14 .


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  6. supermotosean

    supermotosean Been here awhile

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    THIS!! While I do admire the 14 with hub steering, it's also waaaay out of my budget... Can't think of any reasons why the C10 wouldn't be a good tug, other than maybe too narrow of bars? (there's a clamp kit to put regular tube bars on that would fix that) I'm also considering putting the car from my EX (California Sidecar Friendship) onto the Connie, here's the car currently:
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    I know it's a lighter sidecar, but I see these on old Goldwings all the time (I pulled it off a GL1200). Should be an OK match for a C10?

    Either way, keep the thoughts (and pics) coming :clap
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  7. SwampFox883R

    SwampFox883R Been here awhile

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    If I recall correctly, the C10 pictured above had modified triple trees to ease steering.

    I must defer to more experienced builders/installers as to mounting your Friendship sidecar.
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  8. arbalest

    arbalest Adventurer

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    Drone,

    That is a Hannigan HPS rig, built by Hannigan. The front end was designed and built by Bill Ballou, who supplies them to Hannigan (I believe). He hangs out on HPsidecar.com. He has helped me with my ongoing HPS project.
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  9. supermotosean

    supermotosean Been here awhile

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    This helps a lot! Little bit of research shows the Sprint weighing about the same as my Friendship (~200lbs) so that makes me feel a little better about what I'm thinking. I doubt Hannigan would sell the subframes separate from their cars, I'll prolly end up talking to Jay @ DMC about having one made (since he made the one on my EX). I had briefly asked him about it a while back but I was nowhere near actually doing something. I think I would tackle the steering the same as my EX as well (lower the front & get wider bars) if necessary.
    That's awesome! Thanks for the info Pat, I do head through ATL about once every year or so. If I come through, you still have it and you're available (and the stars are aligned, yaddayadda...) I'll pick up the tab for lunch and pick your brain. :1drink

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    BTW: Is that the rig that Ogre_FL had for sale a while back?
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  10. jaydmc

    jaydmc Long timer

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    I owned a concourse for a while with a sidecar, It worked fine, we have built a few for people, If need be I can borrow my brother in laws bike to use to make some mounts as we never tooled. He can not ride for a few more months due to surgery and more then likely would like his bike in doors at my shop rather then out in the weather.
    We are however very busy right now so there would be a wait.
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  11. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    A Hannigan Conte' Classic we recently installed. Outfit does well and actually doesn't steer all that bad with stock front end.[​IMG]

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  12. worncog

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    I have the new version of the Helibars on my 06. Albeit it is not a tug with a chair, the change makes a huge difference in the handling of the standard machine. I am 67" tall with a 30" inseam and the reach and comfort level changes are fantastic. Low speed and high speed comfort are so much better than stock. Money well spent on the Concours if you happen to be of the 'normal' dimensions. ;) Bars are wider, so I am sure they would help steering in a hacked configuration.

    Are you a COG member? If so, you may be able to mention that I , Randy, sent you from COG and Jennifer just might give you a 'little help', but it has been a little while since the group buy option so I am not sure if the help option is still available. HTH
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  13. supermotosean

    supermotosean Been here awhile

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    I appreciate all the replies guys ( especially Pat, Jay and Claude, you guys rock! ) If there are any more, keep the pics coming! (mainly interested to see if there's a Connie out there with something other than a Hannigan :D )
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  14. sb_250y

    sb_250y Safari Finisher 2011

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    “2001 Kawasaki 1000GTR with Premier 1.5 Sidecar. Purpose built with leading link front end and 15 inch rear wheel. Outfit is equipped with genuine panniers which are key removable. Sidecar has tonneau cover an large rear boot, tyres are 90%. some spare parts.”

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  15. Ogre_fl

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    Yea thats my old rig. I miss it.
    I think the Connie C10 made a great tug, it is undergeared by nature which IMO makes it perfect once you add the load of the car.
    Sidecar rigs also suck fuel, particularly at speed, the big Connie tank at least gives the rig a pretty good range.
    I also understand what riding in Florida means, you want to go at least 65-70 even on back roads. If you ride interstates you want to go 80.
    The Connie has enough oomph to do this well.

    I think there are a few reasons why Pat feels the bike is lowered.
    The steer rite mod kicks the front wheel out and drops the front as a result. That along with the added weight of the car squashes the bike a bit more.
    It really could use a set of stiffer fork springs to bring the front back up, but it will always be lower due to the steer rite raking.

    Pat, I don't know if your old Connie had a Corbin on it, but that drops the seat down too.
    Also, dont forget to check the rear shock air pressure. I did have to add air every so often to keep it up.

    supermotosean, I wouldn't let that most Connie/Sidecars you see have hannigan cars be an issue.
    There just are not that many around period and Hannigan just has happened to have done them.
    As Pat has noted their mounts do work, but I do agree they could be better.

    I will say you will want some form of steering mods.
    I thought it was a bear to steer without it.
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  16. jaydmc

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    We just had a Concourse dropped off today for us to mount his sidecar, We can make another set of mounts while we have the bike however as we are now running 14 weeks out for sidecar work and or new sidecars it will be a while. If we were tooled for it we are only 3-4 weeks out on making mounting hardware.
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  17. muncher850

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    ive got a 1986 model with chair , highly recommended
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  18. jaydmc

    jaydmc Long timer

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    Just took an order for the new 1400 Concourse so we will also be able to do mounts for these as well.
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