Condor A350

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by Ratchdaddy, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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  2. Rob Farmer

    Rob Farmer Long timer

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    There was a thread about them a while back. I'm sure a search will flag it up.
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  3. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    Those have always intrigued me.
    I used to have a Swiss "Schmidt Ruben straight pull" rifle that they mounted to the sides with special brackets.
    Report back on how yours' works out for you.

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  4. Bluestone BowTies

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  5. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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    The previous owner had butchered the original exhaust and put a louder exhaust on there. I didnt like it and it made the bike backfire and pop a lot. I fixed that yesterday. I have a set of stock sportster pipes and I adapted them to the bike. Much quieter but I still may need to rejet. I really want to get the original exhaust but I havent seen any out there.

    I took the bike out on some of the deep sand roads around here. Handles decent, the benefit over my F800gs is that I am lower to the ground so it just seems to be easier. The opposite side shifter takes some getting used to and I need to adjust the brakes some.

    I took it out on the street to run through the gears. I seems that about 90kph is about all it wants to do right now. That m

    This bike usually kicks over in one kick. It is much easier to kick than my old XT600, especially when hot.

    I have always loved the simplicity of older 70-80's bikes and old sporsters but this one is awesome. I am so jazzed.

    Oh course this is the first place I checked for info. I found the old threads but they died awhile back.
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    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    I love the old "right side" shifters. Had an old Bennelli years ago. I'd go from right side shift'in to left side shift'in often on days when I went out and exercised various bikes. Just gotta remember which bike yur on when you pull out of the driveway.:lol3
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  7. Bluestone BowTies

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    Model Condor A 350
    Model Condor A350
    Military Service Specialised military model supplied to the Swiss armed forces in 1973, for solo despatch and general liaison duties
    Military Equipment
    Rear carry rack, leather panniers, submachine gun support brackets, additional masked lighting, all-over service livery.
    Engine And Transmission Type Ducati-Condor, vertical ohc single cylinder
    Capacity 340cc 76x75mm
    Comp. ratio 8.2:1
    Output 16.6 hp at 5000 rpm
    Starting Left foot kick start
    Carburettor Single Dell'Orto type VHG 27 AD
    Electrics 6v. 70 watt
    Clutch Multi-plate, wet
    Gearbox Foot-change, 5-speed
    Final Exposed chain
    Frame And Wheels Type Duplex cradle, tubular construction
    Front fork Telescopic, hydraulic damping
    Rear forks Trailing, helical sprung
    Brakes Internal expanding drum, 200mm diameter front and rear
    Tyre size 3.25 x 18" front, 3.50 x 18" rear, road pattern
    Dimensions Overall length 2120mm (83.4")
    Overall width 825mm (32.4")
    Overall height 1160mm (45.6")
    Wheelbase 1400mm (55.1")
    Ground clearance 170mm (6.6")
    Unladen weight 177kg (390lb)
    Performance 140km/h (87 mph) max

    Same size 350cc ducati engine has 10,2:1 compression, different camshaft and bigger carb so it has more power; 27hp +..desmo has more than 30 hp at 8000 rpm... Condor A350 has good components: forks are Marzocchi, rear shocks Konis and Grimeca brakes but with 16 hp and that weight it has quite poor performance.
    Production numbers were: 1973: 500 1974: 715 1975: 715 1976: 715 1977 and 1978: 355 bikes, and all went to Swiss Army.
    In Finland here are more than 300 A350 Condor bikes and they are imported from Netherlands.....
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  8. MIOB

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    I know a pace in Holland that had about 150 of them for sale, they most likely have more than a few left.
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  9. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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    I was saving up for a DRZ400 but this bike is fun and I like riding it around the desert roads and trails around my house. I am trying to get a feel for it's reliability before I take it out on longer excursions. It still starts on the first kick after 36 years.
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  10. ThosMa

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    Ratchdaddy -

    How much lower? I'm kinda interested in an A350, but I'm a short-legged critter at 5'4" (162cm) and wonder about the seat height.

    Thos/MA
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  11. Bluestone BowTies

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    "I know a pace in Holland that had about 150 of them for sale, they most likely have more than a few left."

    I heard that this "well has driep up"......all bikes are sold. :cry

    I rode Condor A350 more than 10000 kms couple a years ago. When I bought it ( it was imported from Netherlands) it was very good maintained; everything worked and there was nothing wrong with the bike. All parts was in good condition, just add fresh fuel, change oils and lubricate all necessary parts (cables and so on) and then couple kicks and off you go. It has full tool set with spare main jet for carb (two jet; one for high altitude and one for low).
    I removed all gun racks and so on and replaced steel mudguards and chainguard with aluminium parts (lose more than 10 kilos) and changed camshaft to ducati camshaft and it got more rpms and speed....:D...then I crashed and crack my collarbone and sold it...
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  12. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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    Well the specs on the internet say it is 800mm (31.5 inches). I am 6' but I have short legs at less than 32 inches. I can flatfoot easily. I is not quite as low a a cruiser, more like a mid 80's standard.
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  13. Steve G.

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    And I know one of the places that is buying some of them:

    http://www.bluemooncycle.com/preowned.html
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  14. MIOB

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    The website says they still have 30 for sale...

    http://www.sindorf.nl/frameset1.htm

    (go to 'collectors')
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  15. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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    :clap:clap I finally got a CA title. I still can't ride it one the street legally, but at least I can prove I own it. Next project, getting it registered for the street.
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    MZRider Neo-Luddite

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    Anyone have a source for the (spin on) oil filter or an aftermarket replacement? I know a guy looking for some.
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  17. Ratchdaddy

    Ratchdaddy Been here awhile

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    I am contemplating selling my Condor. I have been using it for plodding around in the desert but I am aware of how rare this bike is and I do not want to ruin a collectors item. I have it registered for the street in CA and have a clean title. I am asking $3000. That is what I have into it after putting it back to original.
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  18. fawudd

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    Does anyone know of a source for vin numbers for the A350 ? Does 73.350.XXXX mean it is a 1973 number XXXX ?
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  19. Tenererider

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    Check this out:
    http://www.benvanhelden.nl/Condorclub/Startpagina%20Condor.html

    On left side of this site click below A350 Special "Onderdelen/parts" and oil filter replacement....actually there is whole parts catalogue :D

    And there is usefull information about engine .... it's ducati based, so this is close enough ( 350 Scrambler owner's manual ) http://www.motoscrubs.com/Duc_Technical.htm
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  20. Sigean

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    Just for information...... Not sure if this will be helpful to many, but I thought I would relay my experiences with tyres on my Condor. I put this on the Motoscrubs Ducati forum, but these bikes make great tourers and others might have discovered their simple pleasures......

    Originally fitted with Metzeler “Enduro” tyres, both 1990s vintage, when I acquired the bike in 2013, I found these to be excellent, giving the bike fine and fully predictable steering, allowing the bike to take bends with almost zero effort on my part despite their worn condition – the rear’s profile had become flat like a sidecar tyre. I ran these until last week, covering around 10k km until the rear was virtually bald (wouldn’t have passed a UK MOT), but even in that condition it was still grippy in the dry. The front had a little more life left, but I decided to change both and chose the Heidenau K37 in the 3.50-18 size, front and rear. The wheels are meant to be interchangeable, hence the same sizes.

    The Heidenaus changed the bike’s handling enormously. The bike felt unstable and needed to be “held out” of slow turns, and oversteered on long, fast bends. I ran the tyres at 1.5 and 2.4 bar front and rear as per the Condor recommendation, but it was not happy. I rang Heidenau and they recommended different pressure settings, but with no great improvement in handling. I persevered with the bike to take the new edges off the tyres, and experimented with different pressures. Now after about 400km and running with 1.7 front and 2.5 bar rear the bike feels much better, but there is still a little oversteer on the sweeping bends, and on roundabouts I feel the need to apply handlebar pressure into and during the turn. I have yet to try the tyres in the wet. Braking, however, seems much improved over the Metzelers with the bike stopping quicker and very stably.

    I am a fan of Heidenaus having used them on my Moto Guzzi NF, and the dual sport style seems perfect the Condor, allowing road and track use. I will report any further developments in due course, but grateful for other recommendations should others have found better tyres for this bike. A recent photo is attached showing the bike in the garrigue in southern France, where there is some of the best riding on the planet.

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