Consumer Reports: BMW & Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Are Less Reliable than Japanese o

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ta-rider, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. MiteyF

    MiteyF Long timer

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    I do live in South Michigan. And only temporarily until I can get the hell out of here.

    And no, I don't commute very far. I've got better shit to do with my time than spend an hour every day on the freeway. Fuck that.

    I've also only owned the bike for 3 years.
  2. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    Everyone else's results will vary drastically...:D

    I especially like your "No bike is easier to work on than a BMW boxer GS."
    Right before you tell us it never needs anything...

    Personally I think your opinion has been jaded by the Ural you had previously.... Anything would have to seem to get "better all round performance.":lol3
  3. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    So then your entire previous post was just BS....:norton

    Kind of calls into question everything else you posted wouldn't you say Sparky?
  4. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    I live north of Michigan and had my Ultra out at least one time each month last year. Between 3 bikes this year I put on 12k.
    Oh.
    And I've never seen a BMW on the road after november or before April
  5. Ginger Beard

    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    I used to think the same way until i owned one.... Turns out a lot of what you hear are complaints by the minority. HD bikes are dead nuts reliable for the most part. mine has 40 K on it and not one issue. my dads sportster has just to tick over That and same deal. friend of mines wife has an 883 with nearly 140k on it with only routine maintenance. most of the Harley Owners that I know echo a very similar experience. you said in the previous post that you want to own one someday . I think what you do you're going to be pleasantly surprised, I know I have been.
  6. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    You see... This is why I dislike little twits like you.

    You've done nothing here but slam Harley and yet admit you've never owned one...:norton

    And then in the next post say "I'd also like to own a Harley." :norton

    How the frick old are you? Do your parents know you're up this late?

    Well here's what my experience has been and I have owned 3 Harley's, 6 Yamaha's, 2 Honda's a Suzuki and a Kawi. (I still have 2 of the Yamaha's as well as my Ultra).

    "I have never had a bike, not once, leave me stranded on the side of the road. And that includes the Harley's. Now strangely enough, I have put probably twice as many miles on the Harley's than all the other bikes put together.... what does that tell you?

    And lastly, on every bike, other than the Harley's, I lost way over half their original value when I resold them.
    With the Harley's I have never lost more than $4,000, which works out to less than 25% depreciation and that was on a 6 year old softtail I bought new that had almost 50k when I sold it.

    Christ I sold a 3 year old fricking Suzuki in the late 80's that had less than 15k and lost almost 70% of what I paid for it new."

    Oh and by the way... I'm not picking on Suzuki. I have my eyes peeled and feelers out for a Wes Cooley that someday I will have in the garage.
  7. atomicalex

    atomicalex silly aluminum boxes

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    Come to europe. Most of the year-round plates are on BMWs. Mine included. Of course, my CBR is also sporting a full-year tag, but that's mostly because I am too lazy to do the paperwork.

    JD Powers and CR confuse reliability with satisfaction to some degree. There are also some expectation management issues - you drop $25K on a bike, you expect it to be perfect. Then you need to make adjustments because it isn't - is that a reliability issue, a quality issue, or an owner issue? A guy buying an S1000RR expects to make a thousand little tweaks, because those tweaks are one of the reasons he bought it. A guy buying a Harley might not realize that those tweaks are possible to make, so he just complains about the poor fit.
  8. MiteyF

    MiteyF Long timer

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    How do you figure? I said I ride every day, which I do. I said the Strom always works great, and has for the 20k miles / 3 years I've owned it, and it has. I don't get where you're going with this (obviously misled) post, but it seems you're trolling more than anything.
  9. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    My experience with Bmw's is a little different and I'm guessing it's because I tend to run the hell out of my bikes. I maintain them but they are used hard. The clutches in Bmw's are very fragile ,expensive and a pain in the ass to replace and for that reason alone I'll probably never own another one with the old style single plate clutch.I don't want to get into the final drive failures.
  10. sarhog

    sarhog Ride far...

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    Since you don't care what anyone says, feel free to ignore me when I tell you that the K1600 is, in fact, a sport tourer, and it will, in fact, happily chew your ZZR up and spit it out. :ksteve
  11. HanShotFirst

    HanShotFirst Been here awhile

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    My ZZR is a 2003 and it was the fastest bike for that year with a top speed at 191mph, 0-60 of 2.9 seconds. By today's standards, most sport bikes can beat it. But your statement that sports bikes are faster just isn't true. The Busa, and the ZX-14 are classified as sports tourers, and either of them are faster than the 1000RR. Remember, not all sports tourers are Concours and FJR's.

    Around a track, I happen to know a gent with a 2002 ZZR with 90,000 miles on it who beats guys with dedicated sports bikes every time he shows up.

    But honestly, you really made my point for me. To get better performance, you have to go to a dedicated sports bike.
  12. HanShotFirst

    HanShotFirst Been here awhile

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    Now that's funny...I'll take your challenge any day of the week. Straight line, top speed, or in the twisties.
  13. HanShotFirst

    HanShotFirst Been here awhile

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    So I took a look at the specs on the big 1600. And surprisingly the HP and Torque are very similar to my ZZR. I have a little more HP to the rear wheel and the 1600 has a little more torque. But then you have the weight... And the BMW has nearly 200 more pounds than the ZZR. Sorry, but the beautiful Bimmer 1600 just doesn't have a chance in any race against my decade old ZZR. But the Bimmer is a much nicer bike and the better tourer...just not the better sport tourer.
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    :lol3


    +1
  15. DAKEZ

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    I would disagree with this. Most would rather do several consecutive 600 mile days on the BMW 1600 than on your ZZR. THAT makes it a better Sport Tourer. :deal
  16. scootrboi

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    Around here, in Vermont, the majority of cold weather riders are on BMWs or dirt bikes.
  17. popscycle

    popscycle Fahren Away

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    Looks to be the same here, which is a little south of you, with two more running around (a 2nd and 3rd GS in the family).
  18. scootrboi

    scootrboi Long timer

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  19. Mr.Efficiency

    Mr.Efficiency Adventure Wuss

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    I do my own maintenance. i can tell you from experience, that working on all my GSes has been easier than the work on my hondas, Suzukis, triumphs, KTMs, Yamahas, kawasakis, harley Davidsons.... I have always been a two bike stable. The Ural is my current second. I can see from your post you dont own one. The new one is pretty good.
  20. genka

    genka SUV hater

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    Wait until you need to replace the front swingarm boot.