Converting 950 SE into a 990

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Dan950ser, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. Dan950ser

    Dan950ser Two Wheeled Addict

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    I am excited to go FI and I know responsiveness is the best gain. Mileage is not to big of a concern of mine, maybe just a little added bonus. I know carbs are tried and true but think the FI is superior after they sorted it out in 09. Still waiting on everything to arrive and doing research at the moment. Biggest thing on my mind right now is the external fuel pump/ filter/ FPR setup. If anyone has suggestions let me know but for now looking at the Cannondale FI pump and Walbro setup as others listed. My SE is my favorite bike I have ever owned and I want to make it the best it can be. It has many many great modifications and this is the next step in it's evolution.
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  2. Dan950ser

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    Still waiting on the engine, should be here tomorrow or tuesday. I did get the harness, headers, throttle bodies, airbox and so on. Also been doing a ton of research as far as the external fuel pump and FPR and think I have figured out the direction I am going on that. The wiring harness is the other big obstacle on the build. I have a service manual which has a wiring diagram but have been trying to find a routing diagram. The issues I foresee is the different locations between the SE and ADV of the battery and fuse block. Just thought I'd share the updates I have so far. Braaap!
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  3. CollinsB

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    Thanks for the updates... I think I speak for many; we all enjoy learning through others builds, modifications, etc.
    Looking forward to more updates.
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  4. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    Yep, I questioned the reason/need for this swap but I too will be watching with interest.

    I love it when a guy does a mod just because he wants to do a mod. No reason necessary.
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  5. PowerCell

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    You know I support this effort 100%. Hope this picture helps... this is a harness off a 2010 Adventure 990. All the stuff on the left is what you don't need. What's left on the right is all that's necessary to build your bike... :D


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  6. PowerCell

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    Fuel pump/radiator support...


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  7. Dan950ser

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    Ken thanks as always for the help. I was talking to ken from advmachines on the phone yesterday and that was his idea was to take what's needed from the adv harness and use it in conjunction with the SE harness. My plan is to use a cannondale pump and FPR housing with the euro spec 3.5 bar FPR in it. One constraint of this project is it needs to be done and tested before I head to Baja again in April. I'll keep on posting progress but as of now waiting for some parts still and it looks like tearing into it will start next week.
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  8. PowerCell

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    Honestly, I didn't use any of the SER harness. It will just hold you back...


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  9. CollinsB

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    Hey Ken (PowerCell).. great pictures! I just noticed your SE990R signature.
    I assume somewhere on the site you've posted more about this mod?
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  10. Joseph42s

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    I think you should convert it to an 1190 :rofl
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  11. Pete640

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    Sorry for the hijak, - but...

    Ken,

    Ive picked up a low km SM (entire bike) to transplant the 990 into the Adv. With regard to the loom I will freely admit I have no idea what is/isnt needed. Is this a service that you can/would perform if I sent you the existing loom?
    Simplifying what seems a very complex loom would be great and make trouble shooting much easier.
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  12. DELTATANGO

    DELTATANGO Motorcyclist and Dog Walk

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    How much is a 950 harness from KTM?
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  14. charlie264

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    Out of interest Ken, did you use the KTM ECU for your 990SE
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  15. PowerCell

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    It's not something I'd personally be interested in doing. But in your case you can simply purchase a 990 wire harness and be done with it.


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  16. crankshaft

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    I fuel injected my SE, keeping the 950 motor. It's got plenty of power, especially with the Super Duke ECU:lol3 Running some whacked out map from the Netherlands claiming 126hp and so far it's been fun. Anybody need a few sets of 950 carbs, I've got them on my shelf and I don't need anymore boat anchors:lol3
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    emailed you :deal
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    Not enough 1190 that are wrecked/stolen/recovered/parting in the US yet.... However that will probably change in about a year or so. I was talking with the local KTM dealer parts manager the other day and he jokingly suggested that the next 'build' that I do on my 06 ADV was to put a 1190 engine in it.... hmmmmm :evil
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  19. Pete640

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    Thanks K

    Can you tell me what the difference is between the SM and Adv looms?
    There doesn't seem to be that much difference in equipt between the 2 bikes
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  20. Head2Wind

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    I have tried on my two ADVs: OEM airbox and CVs, open foam filter with CVs, open pleated cotton filters with foam prefilters on FCRs, 990 EFI on 950 engine. So far the EFI is pretty awesome in comparison to all other. I would say that _SO FAR_ (I just got it running recently, ~1000 miles on the build), hands down the EFI works the best in all conditions. Cold starts, hot starts, overall performance (this thing hauls A$$) the EFI setup that I have on my 950 ADV (from a 07 990 ADV) works the best. The FCRs were similar in performance, but cold starts could be a absolute PITA. Elevation changes with the EFI are seamless, anything else and especially the FCRs was fiddle town.

    I know that EFI can be made to be near 100% reliable for harsh conditions, it just takes attention to detail in areas that would otherwise cause it to fail.
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