Cop shoots rider in back during traffic stop.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Midnightventure, May 16, 2010.

  1. GreenGene

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    I agree with a lot of what you said, Khager. I live 10 minutes from the area that this incident happened, so I've been paying close attention to this story from the very beginning.

    I've been surprised by a few things since the beginning. That this case was independently looked into and then prosecuted surprised me first. That the officer was found guilty, took me by surprise also. Now that he has been found guilty, from the little I know, I don't think he can get off with 'just probation'. There is a gun specification attached to this felony crime and I believe that a minimum 3 year sentence goes along with that... although I'm not sure on procedures and I'm hoping that he cannot get "shock probation", or "judicial release". I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that I'm surprised once again and that the maximum sentence (11 years) is handed down, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I honestly do not take pleasure in whatever punishment this convicted ex-officer gets... but for there to be justice and as a preventative note to others in authority, I think the maximum is warranted. In my opinion, this ex-officer was a hot-head and had no business in law enforcement.
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  2. rivercreep

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    ...if the lights are still on?
    Hitting the ignition kill switch will at least kill the engine and that's what's saying you aren't going to flee.:huh

    I'm surprised more people around here haven't been shot!

    ...and if the biker being drunk is actually a good excuse for impropper actions...
    ...then it doesn't matter that the Cop shot the kid since he was riding with a death wish anyway.

    In this particular case = two idiots got theirs. (Cop and Kid)
    One for being a power nut and the other for being an idiot.

    Where I might agree the Karmic justice seems harsh for the kid, it's been my experience that the big tuff types are usually assholes anyway so I'll justify my responses by saying, don't deal it and you wont be punished by it. (Karma)
    W.T.F. with all the other assumptions being made here, I might as well make a few unfounded ones myself.:deal

    Did anyone else notice how fast the other cop car arrived at the scene?
    (like he was called in for back-up ahead of time)
    Cops usually don't call in another (and have the other arrive THAT fast) unless they've called in the tags and found out some bad shit about those guys while folliwing them.

    Also, if the two knuckleheads had just been riding like normal guys; would they have even been pulled over?
    Hmmn?

    Wow! More food for thought. Which B.T.W. is my whole point for being an antagonist or "Devils advocate" if you will.
    Most People don't think enough about how their actions will result in reactions from others. And since most you guys are decent enough and I'd hate to see the same thing happen to any of you...
    The real point I'm trying to make is the highlighted one.:freaky
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  3. dwoodward

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    Most riders don't use the cut-off switch on the bar, so they don't think to use it when it could be beneficial. IF the rider was intoxicated (?) then it'd be about the last method he tried, right after holding the brake and dumping the clutch. Which would probably get him shot.

    DISCLAIMER: I don't know that the rider was intoxicated, the engine was running, or much of anything else. Why would I want to ruin all this wild speculation with facts?
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  4. dwoodward

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    True dat. And then, how that reaction will affect them, and how the reaction to that will cause someone else to react, and then [...]
    :beer
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  5. Craigart14

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    Is it illegal to accelerate quickly away from a stop sign? I don't know what the speed limit is there, but they may not even have been speeding. The quick arrival of the second cop car shows that the shooter had already called for backup, so he was planning to stop these two for something, even before they raced away from the stop.

    All that, of course, means nothing. I've been stopped for speeding five or six times. I honestly don't remember what I did with my hands while waiting for the cop to approach, but I do know that no cop has ever pulled a gun on me. The victim had turned slightly in the saddle, and his right hand, which supposedly had a gun in it, was clearly visible in the lights from the cop car. Why would a cop be so close to losing it during a routine traffic stop with backup on the way? So close to the edge that he shot someone in the back with no gun in sight?

    I've got nothing against cops. Most do a tough job pretty well. I have run into a few, though, who just like to throw their weight around. One rang my bell one day and told me he was going to arrest me for obstruction. Seems I was guilty of the heinous crime of feeding a stray dog, which is curled up under my desk right now. Save a dog, risk arrest . . . at least he didn't shoot me. But most cops, I think, do a good job. A few forget that they are cops and think instead that they are judge, jury, and executioner.

    No excuses for Officer White.

    Did they really refuse to lift the hot bike off him? Not cops, but scumbags.

    Craig
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  6. Midnightventure

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  7. Beach40

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    I would like to know what Officer White had to say for himself when these questions were put to him and why he didnt follow procedure?
    Why did he leave the siren on?
    Why did he pull his weapon in the first place?
    After drawing his weapon why didnt he issue instructions to take control, such as get off the bike, lay down, place the poor chap in handcuffs, etc?

    I would still consider this heavy handed, excessive and unnecessary, but its a far cry from a bullet in the back and making this man a paraplegic.

    Having said that, I can understand why police, particular in the USA place someone in handcuffs as a matter of course in these situations. As has been mentioned, peoples reactions can be unpredictable in stressful situations especially if its an average punter with no training or experience in such matters. They could be under the influence of all manner of substances, etc.

    Yes police have a difficult job. Its not pleasant being exposed to and having to deal with the less than desirable elements of society on a daily basis. However, thats whats training and procedures are for and last time I checked, these individuals volunteered. Police are issued with weapons and the discretion to exercise deadly force, so they must be held to a higher standard. If the pressures of the job get to much, then they are no longer effective and tragedies like this will happen.
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  8. grinns

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    1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
    2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
    3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
    4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire

    Hmmmm seemed to work for me for 5 years.......

    That is almost as bad as the kid shooting the lady up here in Washington claiming he thought it was a bear.....
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  9. grinns

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    and 11 years is a joke he should have to take care of the guy who he shot for life....

    You know hes going to need TONS of help.
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  10. SocalRob

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    Officer testified that it was not an unintended gunshot. Officer testified that he shot the guy on purpose.

    In defense of the cops not lifting the still running bike off the victim while his leg was being badly burned by the pipes, remember, the victim had his spinal cord severed so could not feel the burns to his leg. I would guess the cops did not see a sense of urgency.
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  11. Beach40

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    Yeah he was to busy telling the severely wounded individual to put his hands behind his back. How long before an ambulance was called? I guess they didnt see the need for urgent medical attention. Really it was just a bullet wound...
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  12. Human Ills

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  13. haithabu

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    The irony is that if he had said it was unintentional instead of trying to justify it, he wouldn't be facing up to 11 years. I wonder whose lawyer's advice he was following: his own or the municipality's?
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  14. chainslap

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    Sorry, I missed the dog pile in CS&M.

    Hindsight and all that; the cop made some really poor judgment calls.

    Having two friends who are officers and knowing several others, this kind of crap hurts many good officers credibility.

    Fuck eleven years. The officer should be hung up by his balls and have MEK poured into his anal cavity via a funnel. Stuff a wash rag in his ass and light it. Then let mental patients use a long bamboo stick pinata style till he shoots sparks from his ears. Fucker.
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  15. Thanantos

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    I haven't read this whole thread so maybe it's been said, but even so it's worth mentioning again.

    This has little or nothing to do with motorcycling. This thread serves nothing more than to feed the cop-bashers, and it and similar threads should be banished to jo mamma, IMHO.

    I have nothing against showing the bad actions of cops. There are a lot of us in the world, and given the situations we are asked to make decisions in sometimes we make mistakes. We have big shoulders and thick skins. We can take it, but find the right forum for it.
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  16. Vince

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    Yes,lets Bureaucracies it,unless its filed in the right place it doesn't count
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  17. Human Ills

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    I'm disgusted by the episode, but I see the value in keeping it in the proper thread.
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  18. oilhead110

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    Was it an Alabama LEO? Their the worst of the worst.
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    “Lets not bicker over who killed who…This is supposed to be a happy occasion.”
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    I posted this originally without even knowing what was going on in Jo Mamma. I have no interest in all the arguing that goes on there. I wanted people that might not know to be extra careful during a traffic stop. A lot of people have no idea how much danger they are in because of the way cops feel during a traffic stop.
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