Cop shoots rider in back during traffic stop.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Midnightventure, May 16, 2010.

  1. Kommando

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    No offense, but you guys are only minutes away when seconds count, and it doesn't seem like a lot of cops are exactly upstanding citizens these days either. I think I'd rather rely on the right to keep and bear arms. Oh wait...I'm from Chicago. They don't observe that pesky "Bill of Rights" thing here. :huh
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  2. Human Ills

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  3. hobbes23

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    Taxi driver.

    Homicide while at work: persons, industries, and occupations at high risk.
    J F Kraus
    Am J Public Health. 1987 October; 77(10): 1285–1289.

    The purpose of this study is to identify and describe, epidemiologically, work-related homicides in California from 1979 through 1981. Using the California State Computer Mortality File, an algorithm was developed and a search of the death certificates was made using three factors: "injury at work," injury at a work location, and pertinent external-cause-of-death codes. Only 30 per cent of the 466 homicide deaths identified were also found in the logs of the state Occupational Safety and Health agency. The average annual rate of work-related homicides was 1.5 per 100,000 workers. The male-to-female-rate ratio was 4.2:1. Police and security guards and persons in occupations having frequent public contact involving exchange of money, particularly in late afternoon or evening hours, were at highest risk. Controlling exposures of high-risk individuals and developing strict standards for reducing such exposures might greatly reduce assaults and thus prevent senseless loss of life in the workplace.

    http://ajph.aphapublications.org.liboff.ohsu.edu/cgi/content/abstract/77/10/1285
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  4. haithabu

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    Originally Posted by wantmontana

    The prospect of facing the judgment of others is what accountability is all about. If we were not able to judge without walking the mile, only cops could judge cops. With all due respect, that's a scary thought to me.

    And +1 for night shift taxi driver as a high risk profession. Most times it's just you and your tire iron with other cabbies a distant second. The police are for post mortems and probing questions about the tire iron.
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  5. khager

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    Occupational death rates for Police Officers are not even in the top ten. Most Police Officers killed in the line of duty are killed, not by a firearm, but by a vehicle, either their own crashing into something during a chase, or by another running into them, while they are on the side of the road during a traffic stop. Everytime you are on the side of the highway writing a ticket your odds go up, and all those flashing lights, just seem to attract drunks, target fixation, I believe they call it.
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  6. Bonebag

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    That Cop was a frightened baby...and he only shot the guy cause he had the audacity to show a little horsepower on their takeoff...only reason..

    fucking hang him...11 years aint enough and it won't do anything to give that guy his legs back..

    Didn't you see his right hand in the video..resting on his right leg like we all would do if stopped and idle..if his hand went the opposite direction of his body it might be a different story..but to hear that lawyer saying "he turned his arm when he turned to the right..right??" is a joke...how else does a human body work..when you turn your upper torso..your shoulders and arms go with it..

    Makes me sick..shouldn't there be a test to eliminate these pussies from the police force?? Didn't anyone give them an education on outlaw biker's?? How often does a poser, Harley guy in a T-shirt fire on an officer??? NEVER..it's not like these guys were running colors...:puke2 :puke2 :puke2 :puke2 :puke2

    Makes me wanna run from the police...not stop..
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  8. 6gun

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    Cops (my friends at least) are always whining about how dangerous their job is. This is complete BS alot more convenience store clerks are killed than cops. Getting over their power complexes is the only way to solve this. I can point to dozens of cases where excessive force has been used but the cops were "justified" simply because they were cops. Including the murder of a local preacher.
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  9. Human Ills

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    Hanging is too good for him. :nod
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  10. Xskydiver

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    According to FBI statistics approximately 150 cops are killed each year in the U.S. How many convenience store clerks are?

    I hate it when people make statements with no basis. And a jury of one's peers SHOULD mean that a cop would be judged by cops. Unless you have worn a gun to work and sworn an oath to protect you have no basis of knowledge to judge someone who has.
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  11. hobbes23

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    Here's table from an article for HOMICIDES only. Not TOTAL mortality risk by occupation. These are small numbers, so even though police may be at the top, it may not be statistical different than taxi driver. So you cannot show a police officer>taxi driver from this table.

    Homicide while at work: persons, industries, and occupations at high risk.
    J F Kraus
    Am J Public Health. 1987 October; 77(10): 1285–1289.

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    Am J Public Health. 2004 Oct;94(10):1756-61.
    Fatal occupational injury rates in southern and non-southern States, by race and Hispanic ethnicity.

    Richardson DB, Loomis D, Bena J, Bailer AJ.
    Department of Epidemiology, School of Public Health, CB No. 8050, Bank of America Plaza, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-8050, USA. david_richardson@unc.edu
    Abstract

    OBJECTIVES: We investigated fatal occupational injury rates in the United States by race and Hispanic ethnicity during the period 1990-1996. METHODS: Fatalities were identified by means of the national traumatic occupational fatalities surveillance system. Fatal occupational injury rates were calculated by race/ethnicity and region using US-census-based workforce estimates. RESULTS: Non-Hispanic Black men in the South had the highest fatal occupational injury rate (8.5 per 100000 worker-years), followed by Hispanic men in the South (7.9 per 100000 worker-years). Fatal injury rates for Hispanic men increased over the study period, exceeding rates for non-Hispanic Black men in the latter years of observation. CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest a change in the demographics of fatal occupational injuries in the United States. Hispanic men in the South appear to be emerging as the group with the nation's highest unintentional fatal occupational injury rate.



    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15451746

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    EDIT: Notice that "public safety and justice" (i.e., police) aren't that high up the rankings. Occupations other than police face a larger relative risk. (But no confidence intervals are give in this table, so once again the differences may not be statistically significant.)

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  13. marksbonneville

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    What a novel twist to the concept of a "jury of peers" so I suppose a black should only have black jurors or a biker should only have bikers, and of course a gang member should only have gang members as jurors? Its too bad the whiny, corrupt, stupid, and holier than thou cops are the only ones that we hear about. One more thing the idiot cop who shot the unarmed biker in the back took an oath to protect, so what happened did he have his fingers crossed? The cop was found guilty for a despicable crime, he is filth and deserves everything he gets, and those who ride will be safer with his kind behind bars.
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  14. hobbes23

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    I agree so much. What would ever go wrong?



    Oh wait, police are there for the good of the community and therefore are accountable to the COMMUNITY, not other cops.
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  15. Human Ills

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    This is exactly why cops need to be kept in check.
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    Mm. Maybe. Seemed to work for Orenthal James.
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  17. Human Ills

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    If the goal is to acquit a guilty party, then yes, I suppose cops should continue to be judged only by cops. :1drink
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    Such incite in your response. I think theres something in that for all of us...
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  20. Navy Chief

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    This statement is disturbing on so many levels, but mainly because it exemplifies a belief that by taking that oath you are superior to everybody else and should be judged by a different standard.

    I partly agree to the concept that you should be judged on a different standard, a higher one.

    As a public servant you are accountable to the public, I know it is a strange concept for a lot of law enforcement officials but it is reality. :deal