Copper Canyon and Batopilas

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by tricepilot, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. inte

    inte neophyte serendipity

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    We must have ridden right past each other ... I was down there March 5-17

    Ran into (not literally) at least one advrider and one "ledgend" as well :evil
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  2. R2O

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    I will call down there today and have them look for it. I will be down there late this month to do some recon on some new roads. I will be based out of the Rancho San Lorenzo where the big waterfall is at(Basasachi). We are going to build a bunkhouse for anyone who wants to come down and kick back. there is no electricity but plenty of dirt roads, horseback riding and even some panhandeling! Gold up in them there hills ya know!!! Rancho is also going to build 30 cabin/condos for time shares this year as well.
    I will try coach today as well Thanks:wave
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  3. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Muchas Gracias mi amigo.

    Let me add to the thread a photo of the famous Skip Moscorro of MotoDiscovery a.k.a. Pancho Villa Moto Tours. Skip knows about everyone in the industry and even helped Helge Pedersen get his start. This was Skip in El Paso the day we left for the border:

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    Just to prove I am now an official Texan, here's me in front of a rather obscure landmark I'm sure nobody will recognize. Every Saturday morning the "usual gang of idiots" meets at Bike World on Broadway and heads out for the most authentic Mexican food we can find (yes I know we got that when actually in Mexico....)

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    Permit me to add one more shot of "Coach" Ramey Stroud, here in the Valle de los Monjes (Valley of the Monks).

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  4. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    I couldn't wait to get back to Mexico after going deep in country in October of 2006. That trip was to visit some of Mexico's colonial cities such as San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Zacatecas, and Ciudad Valles. Here's the trusty R1200GSA in the middle of the Sierra Madres in the early morning...let me tell you, the 1200GSA is equally killer off-road but is also insane in the twisties - it will give you whatever you need whenever you need it.

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    My wife likes photos of all the glorious plants and flowers of Mexico, so if she lets me take the trips, I'm happy to oblige. This one was made into prints and even part of a mexico photo greeting card project.

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    Friend Doris said it best - Mexico has it's own patina to it, part history, part culture, part, part magic.

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    Everywhere I went, there was stunning architecture and very friendly, helpful people. And now for my favorite city in all of Mexico, Guanajuato...

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    Above is a cathedral in Guanajuato. The tunnel system there used as a street system in modern day has to be ridden to be appreciated. Below these surface streets is a web of old mine shafts converted into actual city streets, with signs, stop lights, and intersections. You have to be in it to believe it.
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  5. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    There are lots of folks to ride to Copper on "road" bikes. The area is a gold mine of twisties and fabulous vistas. However to make the decent to Batopilas I would not want to go on anything but a straight-forward dual. I spent way more than half the time standing on the pegs - Fastway footpegs by the way - and was GLAD to have the capabilities of the bike underneath. I didn't see a single roadie going in or coming out of the canyon itself.

    Motodiscovery did not originally plan to go to Batopilas on this particular off-road training trip. I advised the owner, Skip, that it was my opinion that most if not all folks who were making the effort to get to the Canyon AND to avail themselves of this type of training absolutely wanted to get to Batopilas. In my mind it would be like going to Colorado for climbing training and never getting vertical. So, Skip added a day free of charge to the trip and down to Batopilas we all went.

    Like I said, you can have a blast on your road bike all over the Sierra Madres, the Canyon area, and more. But if you want to plunge down the canyon and along the cliff (see my first pic of this thread) - and you truly want to enjoy the ride, be safe, and not beat up your bike - go dual.

    For places to stay, in Creel I recommend the Pueblo Viejo, but there are all sorts of places to stay in Creel. In Batopilas, there are several places that are talked about on other threads. I haven't heard of Batopilas filling up. Beware that there are trains with American RV tourists (and their RVs) pulling into Creel, and some of them have vans or pickups take them to overnight in Batoplias. Right now there aren't enough bike riders alone to fill the hotels, but I can't say what impact the RV gang has there. If you're the type that needs confirmation of accomodations, it wouldn't be hard to arrange.

    You might want to push past Presidio, on to Chihuahua, and then down to Creel on your ride, then make arrangements to get to Bato somehow, just to see it. Leave the bike topside. Or, rent a dual sport and do the whole trip yourself to the bottom. It's truly one of the "rides of a lifetime".

    As you've read in my thread, I did the River Road, Davis Mountains etc. leaving Mexico on this trip. I see why you go there all the time - west Texas alone is absolutely beautiful.

    So go tell your wife you're adding another bike to the garage!
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  6. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Got more info on your business and/or how we can avail of your tour service?
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  7. judjonzz

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    +1 It is possible to get to Bato on a street bike. When I was there in February, there was a guy who had ridden his Shadow down from McAllen. He said if he had known what the road was like, he would have passed on the trip, but he got down and he got back to Creel. His riding partners were a couple of guys on GSes. One of them looked completely wrung out by the trip down; his face and shirt were bathed in sweat. His buddy, who had a lot of offroad experience, seemed unruffled by the whole affair.

    Having said that, the ride down is a whole lot easier on a dual sport. If you want to ride beyond Bato, to Urique or out of the mountains to El Fuerte and Alamos, you will be much better served by a dual sport bike, 650cc or smaller. The ride across the Urique River has been made by bigger bikes, but the accounts of those rides all seem to exercises in survival, lots of dropped bikes, and some late nights in the canyons.

    You don't have to ride there, however. The train goes from Creel to El Fuerte and Los Mochis. On several occasions, members of our party who were not up for the ride for one reason or another have taken the train to meet us in El Fuerte, a very nice place to spend a couple of days.
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  8. Uncle Pollo

    Uncle Pollo Long timer

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    bump

    I got another secret!
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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    You are the famous SeƱor G: veteran of Motodiscovery and also of the fixed gear cycle world. And, combat biff veteran from RR 337. :bow
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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Jud

    As sixty approaches you are doing exactly the right thing keeping you young at heart. Keep riding and exploring new vistas, at least until you can't twist the throttle anymore. There are cures for that, too. :thumb

    Next up: Mexico's Sea of Cortez and the Western slope.

    Bob
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  11. whiteknucklemc

    whiteknucklemc Been here awhile

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    How is Francisco doing(Pueblo Viejo owner)? He lost his daughter(Yolanda) last year in an auto accident. I have been meaning to get down there again to visit with him and see if he recieved my care package.
    He didn't happen to be listening to a Nat King Cole cd in spanish on a little cd player did he.
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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    The plan right now is to be there again the end of October. I'll check on him and the family for you.

    Bob
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  13. whiteknucklemc

    whiteknucklemc Been here awhile

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    Thanks a lot, I am really curious to see if he recieved my package. You know how the mail can be in Mexico.
    Are you going down for the Chabochis rally? I wished I could go, there is some of the best riding in the world in that area.
    You guy's have fun and if you are ever in my area look me up.

    Cheer!!!

    Perry
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  14. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Great report, Trice. :thumb
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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    I looked at the rally, but my plan is to slab west out of here to Tuscon to see friends, then join touring compadres :beer and make the run into Mexico down along the Sea of Cortez to El Fuerte and Mazatlan. Then climb east up to Parral, through Creel and the roads around the canyon area, then N. Casas Grandes & out. About 11 days, with 2 days in Mazatlan listening to guitar on the beach.
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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    :bow Nate

    I'll do another, hopefully better RR, but I don't think I'll ever be able to write as well as you do.

    Next time you're through Dover, hit up Newick's for lobster for me. I grew up in Redding, Conn., went to UCONN and had a girlfriend at UNH.:evil
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    whiteknucklemc Been here awhile

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    If you are staying in Tucson for the night let me know. I can ride down and buy you a couple of ales. If not have fun and it sounds like a wonderful trip. I would go with you but I used up all my vacation time on a three week stroll through British Columbia in July. Check out my ride report if you get a chance.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265598
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  18. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    I have nothing to report as exciting as hitting a black bear at 70 mph! I posted to your RR. Good job! :thumb

    I think our meeting point is now Nogales but if its farther north I'll find you and buy YOU a couple of ales!.

    Bob
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    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Three times a week, like clockwork. To be honest, though, when I pass through at 0530 on the way to work, Newicks is probably just getting out on the water.

    And on the way home, well, you know what I'm in a hurry to get home to...


    Next time you're up this way, shoot me a note.


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