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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by btcn, Nov 27, 2011.
Glad you got most of these tickets thrown out.
i got pulled over on my sportcity 250 two months back.
got a warning.
despite 51 in a school zone!
Got a ticket for going 84 mph on the San Francisco bay bridge one night many years ago. I was riding my souped up Vespa 200. Took the owners manual to court and showed the judge where it said "maximum speed with rider in the prone position, 68 mph". Case dismissed.
I have no respect for traffic cops anymore. It's not like it was back in the days of ADAM 12. Now all they want to do is harass you and see how much money they can extort from you. It has nothing to do with safety.
I fully disagree with you. I rode about 30K miles a year all around in this country for the last 30 years. Most of my encounters with the law (plenty, I wasn't slow) were correct, reasonable, some times fun. My estimate is about 4 stops/one ticket. Got forgiven a 87 in a 65. Got forgiven running (very slow riding) a stop sign. Cop stated I should have stopped but he saw me looking left and right. Got a warning. There were some a**holes, but I could count them on one hand with fingers left over. I think you get back what you give.
Did the two Asian women delivering papers in a blue pickup truck that remotely resembled one driven by a "cop killer" get what they deserved?
Was it because she wasn't wearing eye protection?
All I can say is come to AZ, USA and find out. They may very well not be that way everywhere, but they are here. I have been stopped about 20 times in 2 years, 3 times in 3 miles by 3 different cops for having a license plate light out. 3 times in 3 miles. I was also stopped sometime later in another vehicle for the same thing. I was stopped a couple of times for going 5 mph UNDER the speed limit. I was stopped 4-5 times on motorcycles for going 5-6 mph over the speed limit. All these happened when the speed limit dropped about 20 mph for curves, and I didn't slow down quite enough. Sport bike riders usually have louder aftermarket pipes, and many have been given speeding tickets just because their bikes "sounded" faster than they were actually going. I was given "warnings" every time, but warnings are no longer free here, they cost you $100. They just don't put points on your license. The tickets were for, of all things "wasting natural resources" ie gas. AZ is covered with photo red light cameras and photo radar cameras. On the photo radar cameras, they have shortened the yellow, in direct violation of federal law. AZ is known nationwide as "the surveillance state" Every cop I have dealt with has been extremely rude and condescending, while I was very polite and cooperative.
I've been waved slower by the California Highway patrol twice, on motorcycles. Once going about 90 just east of the Oakland Bay Bridge. He rode up next to me on the freeway, beeped, I looked over, he waved his hand palm down, I waved OK back, slowed down, and he took off. The other was farther east, about 85 mph, same exact story.
One time I met a CHP motorcycle cop in a gas station and I asked him if it was OK to follow him as fast as he drove, as long as he wasn't chasing someone. He laughed at me, and said it was OK, just don't ever pass.
I think that local cops and highway patrol cops will pull you over if it's a slow day, with little traffic and not much activity. If it's busy and you are riding safely, signal lane changes, don't blow past a lot of cars, just drive reasonably but fast, you can get by OK.
Around here they are looking for wackos and jerks. If you act like that, you get busted.
I had a cop here tell me they hate to stop scooters because around 75 percent are stolen and its just more trouble then its worth to haul a kid off to jail impound the bike and fill out the stack of paperwork so unless your just being blatently stupid they just let them go. he told me that when i had him out to the house to inspect the new to me scooter i had just bought to make sure it wasnt stolen before i put it on the road lol.
I have never been pulled over on my scooter.
Let's examine this. Your license plate light was out. I guess I have been lucky and never even managed to burn out a license plate light. Had I done so I would have fixed it. 3 times in 3 miles. That should tell you that having a license plate out is likely to draw LE attention and I can see how it would. Can't you?
There are quite a few spirited riders on this site from AZ. I don't know of any other AZ rider who has been stopped half that many times. That rider may exist, but is far from the norm. It may be time for a little self examination. It is YOU Jerry. Nothing excuses a rude cop, but something tells me that you probably have a hand in that too.
Not going to get into an argument. Yes, most of the things I was stopped for were legal. But it didn't used to be that way. For instance, I drove around for years with my license plate attached to the tailgate of my old truck with sheet metal screws, no light, and the cops never once stopped me. They didn't stop others for such silly things either. But really, 3 times in 3 miles by 3 different cops (parked in the median hidden by brush)??? I also went back and thought about it and I was stopped more times than I thought for going slightly undre the speed limit, when there was very little traffic. That is perfectly legal in AZ, we have no minimum speed limit, and I was not impeding the flow of traffic because there was none. I was in a car, just out cruising, on country roads, listening to music, and trying to get the most time out of the $3.50 a gallon gas. I was stopped because I was going under the speed limit, while most go over it, and it looked "suspicious" to the cop. I was interrogated, and asked a lot of questions that had nothing to do with driving, like where I worked, where I was coming from, where I was going, I was told there was a shorter way to get there (there was, a freeway with much higher speed limits) They did not seem to understand that I was purposefully taking the long way. I like to just go out and drive the same way I like to just go out and ride, with no specific purpose or destination in mind. That's why my preferred bikes are scooters and cruisers, rather than sport bikes or adventure bikes, which seem to need a reason to ride
But my point is, this all happened in 2 years, and before that it had been at least 15 years since I had been stopped for anything. 3/4 of the times I was driving a nondescript dark blue sedan, which should not have attracted cops like a Ducati would.
I am not a sport bike rider, but in the past few years, all the best sport bike roads in the state have become infested with cops. I know you have seen Youtube videos of swarms of sport bike riders doing 150 mph on public roads. I never saw anything like that around here. I have seen a lot of irresponsible riding by riders on sport bikes, but it was mostly in town, where they are a lot more likely to get away with it. Many local sport bike riders have given up and sold their bikes, because their sport have virtually been outlawed. (you can actually be given a ticket for leaning over too far in a turn, even without being over the speed limit)
On top of all that, my county is home to the infamous "Sheriff Joe" Do some research on him. Around here he is known as "Sheriff Joke" But don't let that fool you. He and his group of thugs (deputies and "posse") are one of the most hated and feared "law enforcement" agencies in the country.
When riding in this state, you have to watch out for cops just as much as impaired drivers. Strangely enough, using a cell phone while driving is the one thing they are NOT cracking down on. I suspect there are political reasons for that. Cops will often follow you for miles, with their dashboard cameras on, hoping you get nervous, make a mistake, and then they have the evidence right there on video to back up the ticket.
Besides being known as the "surveillance state" we are also known as "the nanny state" Many new "nuisance" laws have been passed regarding driving and riding, and enforcement has been stepped up big time. I'm not against law enforcement, but things have gotten out of hand here. Big time.
This stuff may seem exaggerated, it may seem paranoid, but it isn't. It's actually happening here, and it has gotten a lot worse recently, which is one of the things that makes it so noticeable. And I am not the only one that is noticing it.
Based on the 2012 election results . . looks like around 51% of the voters may disagree with your assessment.
Thanks for posting that link. Would you want THAT for law enforcement? And those 51% are mostly over 65, and they rarely get targeted.
Just know you are not require to answer questions. They must tell you why they are stopping you. Suspicious behaviour that is within the law isn't enough. Yes you have to stop if lit up and yes you have to provide license, registration and proof of ownership but you don't need to say shit. "Is this your address?" answer - you have my license, registration and insurance papers. "where you going?" See last or "I'm not required to answer any questions, you have my lic, reg and ins, let me know when I'm free to carry on"
MIght be true but really you end up being screwed around by going that route. Cops , RCMP really don't give a rats ass about the law often when faced with someone saying that. RCMP will not even put a drunk in the can for making problems on a transit bus because the system is overload and they don't want to do the paper work that going to take an hour to fill out just to have the guy slapped on the hand. Saw that last month.