Corvallis ADV Night at Flat Tail

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by KillerD, Jan 10, 2014.

  1. KillerD

    KillerD BoozeMagician

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    About to start day four of our route five obdr adventure. Had a blast through the summer lake to Christmas valley section despite Zuber's sage advice....then promptly kicked ourselves over and over during the next 150 miles of 110 degree desert rocks and sand. Holy shit that was grueling! Got some great video including an epic crash by yours truly. Ribs are only a little bruised, fork seals only a little leaky, only broke one ram mount off on my chest, IMG_6008.JPG IMG_6010.JPG IMG_6004.JPG IMG_5980.JPG and still have most of our knobs....
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    Kids just don't listen. Lakeview to Christmas Vly is great. THEN skip the next 150 of greuling sand and rocks.

    Another great Killer Dave selfie.
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    KillerD BoozeMagician

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    Wait till yah see the videos. . .

    I'm glad we did it, cause we made it, but will definitely never do it again. Was one of if not the most physically exhausting things I've ever done, and I can't believe my front rim isn't totally tacoed by now.

    Anybody doing that section without a sat com and a riding buddy has a death wish.
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    KillerD BoozeMagician

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    Well, some dumbass teenager decided to throw a fire cracker down a tinder box ravine and we had to call the ride 150 miles from the end. Bummer....that said our bikes and our bodies were definitely getting to the braking point so probably for the best. Will have some awesome videos, photos, and stories at next weeks meetup! IMG_6064.JPG IMG_6061.JPG IMG_6034.JPG IMG_6022.JPG
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    What's with the one eye, Jack, I mean Lucky?

    :hmmmmm
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    Whew!
    Thought you were going after that new nick name again, Lucky...

    You hear this one about eye patches on pirates?
    They wore eye patches just before they were going into battle and going to board the ship they were about to plunder.
    The ships are dark under deck and when in combat under deck they would remove the eye patch, with a good eye under it, and already adjusted to dark so they could see in the darkness.
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    KillerD BoozeMagician

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    Mason down at hansen's got this offer from a distributor, and he's willing to pass it on directly to us. Needs to order in increments of five sets, but a rear, get a front free. Pretty damn killer deal!

    Let me know what you guys want and I'll add it to my list. IMG_6089.JPG IMG_6088.JPG
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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  11. CrackedCanyon

    CrackedCanyon Been here awhile

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    Good news: the "Flat Track" - the route from Alsea Falls up the north flank of the Prairie Mountain ridge - is open! Every culvert on the route has been replaced, including the one that caused the closure - and the tank traps are gone. They're also working on the culverts on Tobe Creek.
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    Pocketsprocket Been here awhile

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    Has anyone done the North face cat skid road up to the top of Prairie Mountain lately? Been a few year sense I've been up it.
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    You guys are killing me.....fookin fires every where....arggggggggg......can't you wait for some rain ? ?
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    CrackedCanyon Been here awhile

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    Tell you what, Digger...I'll make you a deal. You make your decisions and I'll make mine.
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    Yeah,,, It's kind of scary dry right now. Even with the rain from this week.

    Went down the north face of Prairie before it got dry. Lots of timber work. Rode over 1000 ft of slash to get out. I'd say that the entire area of Prairie Mt is closed for logging until about next year sometime.
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    Are we talking about the same road? I guess the road to Lobster valley/Alsea Hwy would also be a north face road. I was talking about the skid road that goes up the north face right at the top, comes out by the radar tower. It was getting overgrown with saplings when I did it a few years back, pretty steep. made it on my KLR with MT21s, but would have been better on a woods bike. Was surprised when I came out on top as I had rode by that radar tower many times going up the east side road.
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    Same skidder road.

    Likin' my woods green, not burnt up.

    It starts raining round here Halloween, not far off.

    Lives and livelihood's depend on green woods in these parts.

    Some just don't get it or care...but I do.

    Sorry if you took offence.

    Edit: CC, please don't be afraid to tell me when I am in danger, but I was really concerned of the other guys post more so.
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    so I take it has been cleared some sense I was on it?

    offense? Slow down Trigger. I don't know what your talking about? I haven't been up in the woods on my mc sense before the fires
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    DiggerD DougFir from SuperDuke Days

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    Sorry all...over worked...moving...stressed..

    The cat trail/ area you are referring to was logged this summer.

    We rode down it and was surprised with logging at the bottom of the hill.

    We had to ride over trimmed off branches a foot deep.

    Very hard to keep the bikes up right.

    One screw up with the woods as dry as it is now and your bank account might add up to zero.

    Play safe.
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    CrackedCanyon Been here awhile

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    Yep - I've lived around here for more than 25 years, and have had friends and neighbors in the timber industry. I care. I understand a fair amount about fire danger (had a red card back in the day - the training for which included understanding fire weather and fuels, and I know where to look for usage restrictions (https://gisapps.odf.oregon.gov/firerestrictions/PFR.html).

    Digger, I've learned a lot from you about motorcycles and riding, and I respect your opinion - if I didn't, I wouldn't respond to your comments at all. If you want to change people's minds (not just mine, but others that might be reading), I think reasoned arguments will be more effective than insults. Seriously - I frequently change my mind when given new information or a new perspective. Part of what I know now about fire restrictions actually comes from hearing your concerns in years past, and doing some research as a result. So I'd genuinely like to learn more. Of course respecting your opinion doesn't necessarily mean I'll always agree with your perspective.

    From my perspective:

    1. Like so many things in life, making a decision about whether to ride on a given day or in a given area is a risk management decision. Obviously a decision not to ride puts the fire risk at zero, and that's a perfectly reasonable decision. But risk management is not about always keeping the risk at zero, so I try to look at what's the actual risk, and can it be reasonably managed?

    2. The actual risk, part 1: I have to assume that the people who assign fire danger levels and usage restrictions know what they're doing. When I look at those restrictions, I see nothing that says riding motorcycles is prohibited. Even at the "extreme" fire level, the ODF public restrictions say:

    No Debris Burning
    Smoking in designated locations, vehicles on improved roads and boats in the water
    Campfires in designated locations
    No Fireworks
    No exploding targets, tracer ammunition or sky lanterns
    No mowing of dry, cured grass
    No power saw use
    No cutting, welding or grinding
    Electric fences must be UL approved
    No off-road driving
    All vehicles must have a shovel and fire extinguisher or gallon of water. ATV's and motorcycles must be equipped with a fire extinguisher

    3. Managing the risk: As a result of those restrictions, when I ride outside the rainy season, I ride only on well-traveled rocked roads. I carry a fire extinguisher. I stay in areas where the fire danger is "Moderate" or lower. Yes - the risk is certainly nonzero, and certainly higher than in the middle of the rainy season. Even when the fire danger is low, the risk of fire is not zero - so for example, in many, many years of camping in the boondocks, I have never built a campfire. It seems crazy to me to intentionally start a fire in a forest and watch embers fly off into the forest. So my personal risk management decision there is to not build fires, ever. Other people make a different decision.

    4. The actual risk, part 2: In the interest of deciding what the risk is, I've spent a lot of time reading about human-caused forest fires. So far, I have not located a story about a motorcycle being the cause of a fire. I'd love to hear more if others can point me to better info on this. I'd also like to learn more about why motorcycles seem to be of greater concern than trucks or heavy equipment. (My best guess is that motos have a very short exhaust system, and thus some unfinished part of engine combustion might make it out the tailpipe?)

    The bottom line for me: We all have to make reasoned decisions about risk. Your decision not to ride until the rainy season is obviously the safest, and the most selfless (forgoing your desire to ride in order to keep the risk of causing a fire at zero). I don't think that means it's the only reasonable decision for someone who understands the risk and cares about the consequences.