Cost of Baja 500

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Ian640, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. Ian640

    Ian640 Been here awhile

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    Hi,

    I've considering an attempt at the Baja 500 in a few years time, my enthusiasm partly fuelled by reading of competitor's exploits in the event on this site (I recall neduro's report).

    Can anyone who's done the event on a motorcycle give me an idea of the costs involved? An itemised list would be even better.

    Thanks,

    Ian.
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  2. hamfisted

    hamfisted 2wheelsGood

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    I wanna know too!!
    Planning to do the Baja 1000 in 2010.
    Baja 500 sooner.
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  3. flyingbeard

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  4. flyingbeard

    flyingbeard Long timer

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    Hi Ian,
    Here is some info on the cost of leasing a bike to race (Husky). I just got this today from BajaHusky. I will send you a PM will all the details FYI

    Lease for Score Baja racing:
    1. 2007 TC 250, 450 or 510 for race lease for 7 days.................$7, 500.00 + a $6,000.00 Security deposit
    2. Security Deposit is fully refundable 30 days after the bike returns and is deemed in the same shape as it left. Otherwise, the deposit pays for all repairs needing done or if the bike doesn't come back during the contract period (usually 7 calender days)
    3. Any repairs to the bike or total replacement comes from the refundable security deposit funds.
    4. 2nd race of the calender year on the same size bike would be $5,000.00 + $6,000.00 Security Deposit
    5. 3rd race of the calender year on the same size bike would be $3500.00 + $6,000.00 Security Deposit.
    Buy the Race Prepped Bike for $9, 900.00 and then have it shipped home.
    (Lots of stuff, on the Race Bike)



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  5. WONB2K

    WONB2K The Road Less Traveled

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    For your first Baja race I'd strongly suggest contacting Tim Morton through his website: http://www.bajaboundmoto.com/ He can help with all aspects, from pre-running to supplying a bike and race support. He has the resume and his experience would be invaluable to a Baja novice.

    Jim
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  6. flyingbeard

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    Thanks Jim
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  7. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    I was going to post this, but since Jim beat me to it, I'll 2nd it. :nod
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  8. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    4 solid years of campaigning various motorcycles in their native competition at the rate of about $20k/yr if you're on the budget plan. Then another $20k to set-up and execute one Baja race if you have lots of friends.

    It's about the same budget as country club golf...
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  9. HUSKYraceteam

    HUSKYraceteam smedley

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    Baja 500 basic. Not Honda pits nor factory ride.

    Score Membership: $ 50.00 per person, all racers have to be members
    Sportsman Entry: $ 500.00 est.
    Pro Entry: $ 950.00 est.
    Bike: You buy $6,000.00+ est. Either a 450 or 510/525/650. Expect to rebuild your top end or something close after race ends. Square rims, bent radiators, almost anything can and will happen.
    Race Bike Parts: min.$1-$2K; Tires, tubes,chain, Stab,tank, stator rewind with light if night race,suspension rebuild front/rear
    Bike: You lease $3500 to $7500 complete to race and return
    Bike: Security deposit refundable $ cost of bike probably
    Bike Spares: ? $1K to 3K depending on what you buy, wheels, sub frames, nothing.
    Pre Running: $1-$2K (Trucks, people, food, motel, fuel, etc.)
    Pits: $125.00 Baja Pits up to $600 for Honda pits. Checkers you have to be a checker. Mag 7, FAIR or your buddies are your other choices.
    Race Fuel: $ Included with pit fee up to 3 gallons of 100unleaded race fuel per pit at Baja Pits locations. Honda pit prices include 3 gallons of 91 octane fuel and spare parts exchange.
    Race Day: Chasing $ 700-$1500 depending on how many vehicles you have
    Commute: $ Where are you driving/flying from round trip, renting vehciles or driving own, flat tires, vehicle breakdowns, etc? $unknnown?

    That's it in a nutshell.

    A friend raced the 06 Baja 1000 Ironman on an 06 Open bike and finished 4 hours after the finish line closed down. He spent $7K for the race + the bike ($5K). Two spare wheels attached to parts bike in chase truck, no spare lights (just the race set he already owned, otherwise $1K), one chase truck with 2 guys, 1 week pre running before the race, motels, fuel, insurance, food for 10 days (pre running and race weekend). Had flat tire that stopped him for 4 hours and missed his connection for night lights by over three hours after dark. No sat phones or FM radios used to save money. If he had those, chase crew could have driven to him and he would be have been racing most of night. Spent night in baja desert camping out without lights, first night. Cold brrrrrrrr.

    Race can be done, but bare minimum here. Start saving now, find 5-8 buddies that want to race or find some cash sponsors now (like the rest of us are looking for). Good luck/ See you down there.
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  10. BajaKiwi

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    Priceless.

    Very vaguely..

    Pits by Honda $750.... to possibly half that with others (Mag 7, Baja Pits)
    Score entry aprox $800 plus a annual $50 for score card.

    Depending on how you exist for accomadation, gas, food $100/day to $250/day. Theres the whole range in Ensenada. If you're using a campground/ locals paddock/ or hotel in outlying towns it tends to be cheaper/ simpler in all respects (food/accom).

    Bike. You can ride it stock as long as you have got 50/60 mile tank capability for race. Prerunning you might want a larger tank ( $200). If you're going for the basics invest in suspension ($850- best money can buy), damper (a lot but worth it), footpegs ($125), shark fin, Handle bars......and all the rest.

    For 500 hopefully you won't need lights. You may want a plan B which might involve a helmet light ($250- $400, if you've already upgraded your stock bulb) just to get you last miles. Otherwise you're looking at a stator rewind and a single/ double 8" or Diablo from Baja Designs. ($125 + $200- $1200)

    Vehicle insurance. For car/truck/van- $10/day.

    Cost would depend a lot on amount of prerunning ie tires, odd tube, few levers, filters and oil. A rear for every 500 miles prerun, a front. A chain, set of steel sprockets.

    For race you'll need fresh tires all around, oil,filters, chain, sprocket etc

    If you're doing a LOT of prerunning I wouldn't suggest riding same bike for the race. It'll be pretty beat.

    The 500 is a good race and logistically reasonably easy. It can be done for relatively cheaply. Not everyone is driving a Trophy Truck nor is every bike prepped to Honda race team standards.

    On the day - enjoy. There won't be any amount of money that can pay for that experience!!! A.
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  11. xr400r

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    I saw someone leasing a xr650r for the race for approx. $3500. I believe that included support during the race. I am guessing you could fly there do the race and be done for $5000. I could be all wet. I don't have any experience at it but was just a guess. I am here to learn too. If you are going to spend $20k to $40 to race the baja 500 you might as well save your money and do Dakar. You are already on that side of the ocean.
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  12. bajaboundmoto

    bajaboundmoto Been here awhile

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    You can rent complete packages for the Baja 500 that includes support trucks with drivers, pre-run bikes, new Honda race bike, Honda Pits (the best), hotels, etc... for around $8000.
    All you have to do is fly in, pay attention, have a clue what you're getting into, and be safe.

    For 1st time Baja racers who are new to Baja (even local) renting is a great way to learn and be walked thru it.
    For teams located a great distance away it's a fantastic way to get it done.


    But what would I know.....


    (thanks PackMule and WONB2K!)
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  13. PackMule

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  14. Ian640

    Ian640 Been here awhile

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    Thanks for all the replies :D

    The bajaboundmoto 'turnkey' option is an interesting alternative to shipping my own fully-prepped bike (not my LC4 and not the Alp) over the pond.

    It's just a long-term plan at the moment. I'm thinking 2010 or 2011.

    Interesting comment about doing the Dakar rally instead. A friend and I are 'in discussions' about an attempt in the next few years. The Baja 500 is one point on the 'road to Dakar', or even a worthy alternative as the big problem (for me at least) is that an attempt at the Dakar ain't cheap. But...

    And, unlike the memories, you can't take the money with you...

    Cheers,

    Ian.
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  15. BajaKiwi

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    And, unlike the memories, you can't take the money with you...

    Cheers,

    Ian.[/QUOTE]

    .... but you can leave it with many of the businesses lurking here :deal .:clap
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  16. hamfisted

    hamfisted 2wheelsGood

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    For those of us that DONT have a clue, what races should I pencil in to GET a clue?
    Ive been racing Hare Scrambles for a long time but have never done a desert race. I am signed up for the Desert 100 in WA in April.
    The goal is to do the 1000 for my 50th b-day (2010).
    Thanx
    Jim
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  17. XSNRG

    XSNRG Northern Michigan

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    Do a search for Desert Racing and see what pops up.

    Of course SCORE and DAKAR have already been covered.

    For example, I visited a BEST in the DESERT event and helped in the pits last Summer. If you have never been close to a Trophy Truck or the real buggies, I suggest you fly into Vegas for a weekend and check it out first-hand.

    This might be too much information, but check out the different racing schedules HERE.

    Do your homework and move to Nevada might be the easiest response?
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  18. wardo

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    Ian,
    I rode the Baja 500 a few years ago using Tim Morton's turnkey program, and I can highly recommend Tim and the program he puts together. His knowledge of Baja is encyclopedic, and his ability to organize logistics was incredible. Also his focus on safety is essential, there is so much that goes on down there, that having an insiders insight is going to both lower your stress tremendously and help keep you out of trouble. Here are links to my 500 and 1000 race reports that I posted over on Thumpertalk: http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155830&highlight=baja
    http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=203092&highlight=baja
    If you have any further questions feel free to PM me.

    Regards,
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  19. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I am interested in the cost as others are. So how much?

    I'd like a price on 2 riders for a rental racer/support deal for Baja 500; one pre-run and the race. I can figure travel/lodging on my own. :ear
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  20. Rogue_Ryder

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    I second RENTING! While I've never even been to a Baja Race, I have been around racing for a while. I used to work for an SCCA Road Race team and we built cars and sold them and offered full support to their owners if they needed. We had a couple "house" cars that we built and we'd rent them out for track weekends (and driver's schools) to people who were just getting into the sport, or couldn't afford to buy a car and run it on their own, let alone fully supporting them.

    The experience the Renters got from just flying into the local airport and showing up at the track and having the "team" do all the prep work on the car; let them focus solely on their driving. Guys who do it all themselves don't always get to race. If the car broke in practice or qual they were the ones that had to fix it and if they didn't have spares the car was going back home without ever being raced. You just blew your whole weekend and spent a shitload of money.

    One of our "Drivers" was even an ex-SCORE Buggy Racer (Little buggy w/4cyl toyota engine) who tried doing it all between himself and a partner. I think it burned him out trying to manage everything on his own, it was much easier (and less stressful) to pay the money and show up.

    Here's to seeing your Baja Dream come true :freaky:ricky
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