Cost of Baja 500

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Ian640, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. wardo

    wardo Been here awhile

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    Ian and Pantah,
    The cost of renting can vary wildly depending on who you talk to. Tim's quote of around $8k is a bit more than we paid in '04, but I am sure his expenses have risen commensurately. I remember thinking that the service Tim provided was a relative bargain compared to other motorsports I've rented in. I am sure you can pay less than what Tim is quoting, but I know from personal experience that he is providing tremendous value for the dollar. I am planning on doing the SCORE series again when I turn 50 in a few years. I will certainly be using Tim to put the effort together if he'll have me. If you're serious about putting something together, I recommend you call him and talk on the phone. I think you'll agree that he's a straight shooter with allot to offer a prospective Baja team. I'd be glad to talk on the phone or via PM to give more personalized detail.

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  2. johnson357

    johnson357 Bad Monkey Racing

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    Ditto to the Baja Bound idea :clap . We are from IN and did it last year with them and it was awesome.....sorry Tim forgot my training.....it was bitch'n....He even taught us the west coast language that we midwestern types don't speak. We had so much fun with Baja Bound down there, Tim knows every nook and cranny down there..............and then there is El Chopipo(did I spell it right).

    The only way to go we will be back to do it again. Honda pits rock too, I mean the whole week we felt we were part of a factory team........my partner and I joked we were the Honda Q team.:lol3
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  3. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Thanks Wardo - I re-read Jim's post. It looks like $8k covers a pre-run bike too. Add in the $2k or so per person to get there,lodge and entry fee. Not so bad for a one-time shot. I'll call if the notion gets any legs. -P
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  4. Ian640

    Ian640 Been here awhile

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    I hope the thread's answered some questions for other potential entrants.

    This event fully deserves to go on the 'must-do' list.

    Better start training...

    Cheers,

    Ian.
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  5. Jason sandsux

    Jason sandsux Purple Helmet Driver

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    some friends and I did the 2004 Baja 1000. We finished, not great, but we finished and that was our goal. It cost us about $12 grand, split 4 ways. 3 grand each up front. At the end we sold everything and recouped about $3500. No prior experience. We built our own bike. We had no prior plan to do it until 6 weeks before. It's doable for the average Joe. Good luck
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  6. kerosene

    kerosene Been here awhile

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    What kind of prior racing experience did you guys have?
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  7. Jason sandsux

    Jason sandsux Purple Helmet Driver

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    I've been ridind and racing for about 25 years but no desert stuff and no prior team stuff. I'm a pretty decent weekend warrior but actually was in bad shape at the time of the race. Blew out my knee and little time to ride for the prior 2 years. Teammates were about equal experience but with good knees. I'm an east coast, mud, rocks, trees rider. I felt like it was my first time on a bike being in some of the sand. I crashed a lot during the race and wish I had done some prerunning. I arrived at the airport the night before the race and had never ridden a XR650 before. We did a lot of things wrong, 2 of my teammates got hurt (collar bones/ ribs) and we still finished. It was tough with no experience and 2 guys down, very tough, but there's enough time to push through it. If finishing is your goal, it's very doable. I'm sure these rental places make it easier and if nothing else their knowledge would be helpful. There's a lot of info on the net about setting up the bike. It's not that hard to do. Basically lights and suspension plus a few items. If I did it again I'd do it on a KTM 525. The XR is a big heavy pig and I didn't need the extreem top speed (90+), and I hated the weight of it. I think the logistics of it is probably the hardest to imagine. How to position everyone and everything you need where and when you need it. We used 2 chase trucks. The trucks need to pick up the guy who's done and position him further down so he can ride his next section etc. Same with spare parts. We paid someone for "support". IE: gas, tools etc to be provided at 60 mile intervals, so at least we knew we had gas. There's sections that your trucks can't get to. My buddys wife figured out a lot of the logistics and I still feel she was the most important team member even though she didn't ride the bike. You can't finish without a good plan and back up plan, but don't let that stop you. Just get someone who's good at that kind of stuff on your team and then do it. Think of it this way. 1000 miles, 4 guys= 250 miles each. You can do it.
    Good luck.
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  8. pburke

    pburke Talks more than he rides

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    Mark - you're seriously thinking about it? We should talk next time out. Been talking to Elmer for months now about doing the 500 and 1000 in '08 or '09.

    Peter
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  9. oldxr

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    i used to pit crew for a jeep team many years ago and still go for rides in baja.biggest problem if you have the bucks is to find time to prerun.the prerun will help you know when to take it easy and when to run some speed.next is finding enough buddies with trucks to pit for you.if you dont have alot of friends to pit just rent a bike with support.the pit crew thing burned me out-getting sent out in the middle of the night to tow in a busted race car sucks.now i just prerun the course and watch the race on my xr.
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  10. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    And people STILL choose to play country club golf????? :huh
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  11. HUSKYraceteam

    HUSKYraceteam smedley

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    Pit crews can be had for as little as $125.00 for the Baja 500. If I were doing the Baja 1000 for the very first time, I'd either, A- Race the Baja 500 first for experience or if not that B- Race the Vegas to Reno for experience in day and night racing or C- race a lot of desert races to train for 100+ mile stints in the saddle. Those of us lucky to be living on the border can take rides more often into Mexico, both day and night.

    Plan pre running into your vacation plans for the Baja races. Even if you only see the course once, it will be better than not at all. Contingency day, you can always pre run ther start out to 30 miles or so. Motorcycle/quad contingency consists of three sponsor's that I'm aware of? That and sign up and tech should take you all of 1 hour and your day is over.

    For guys racing the night sections, the day time and night time looks way different. But seeing it at least once during the day will allow you to pick out reference marks so you dont get lost OR stop in the middle of the night and have to wait for the next bike/quad/buggy/truck to come by to reassure you are on the course. Baja is pitch black out at night during the 1000. That's step into your closet, close the door and turn out the light dark.

    You enter the Pro Classes, you start that much further ahead of the TT and Class 1 buggies. Start in the Sportsman classes, you start much closer to the TT's and Class 1 buggies. It just depends on your comfort level. The farther up to the front you start, the less dust you will ultimately eat too. I think Score still allows up to eight guys on a team. For each person over 4, you pay $50.00 extra per. A 500 mile race with 8 guys relates to 60 miles per racer. For the Baja 1000, that comes down to 125 miles per racer. Just food for thought if you are looking to cut down costs involved with doing the whole thing yourselves.

    Remember, at race end, someone owns that bike. Whether it be you or several of you, or someone else, the bike is yours to repair. Most Baja bikes need a top end job after race end (B1k). One little mistake (such as not screwing on the air cleaner correctly or tightly enough say at night) can cause you to suck enough silt to warrant a top end and possibly lower end job when the race is over. Race someones elses bike, they handle the pits and take that respnsibility. All food for thought is all that is. I raced a Baja 1000 back in the 90's and our bike came to the finish line with a rip in the air cleaner the next morning. One of us five guys was in a hurry and poked the mounting screw thru the element and not the mounting hole. End result, we all paid for a new top end, crank and shaft at race end.

    Just another part of racing.
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  12. mikekay

    mikekay toiling midget

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    If you want to gain insight into what it would take to race Dakar, consider coming over and racing Ironman in the Vegas to Reno. Its in many ways similar to day 3 or day 4 at Dakar.


    Vegas to Reno is cheaper, easy to chase/self-pit, and much easier to access for most than Baja.

    I've had european racer buds come over in late May, race the Baja 500, sleep on the couch for a few weeks and then do Vegas to Reno. More bang for the airfare. Just an idea.

    Lots of guys will set up a standard XR650r for Baja. Chris Haines has been doing in the longest. Rob Barnum does it as well. For a KTM ride talk to Scott Harden. BajaHusky or Uptite Racing will rent ya a Husqvarna. Trail Boss would probably set ya up on a Yamaha 450. In a pinch we could probably get you a Sherco....That said--personally i've always found that building the bike was an important part of the total experience.

    Bikes can be airfreighted from Europe for 1000 euros or so. Pick up trucks can be rented in the US for 50 euros a day. My favorites were the Israili bike team at the Vegas to Reno a couple years back. They used a U Haul box van, sleeping with the bike. Just some ideas.
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  13. neduro

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    I spent a little more than $4k to do the race solo. That was with generous contributions from advriders for pit support, already owning the bike, and sleeping on the ground a fair amount.

    Tim's package at $8k is a bargain, IMHO- I happened to luck out, but his expertise and connections will make luck for you.
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  14. Randy Babcock

    Randy Babcock Been here awhile

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    We ran it last year! Just four guys...two raced and the other two did pit service and ran riders around. Pre ride and it become obvious where to switch riders. Use a pit service (Baja pits for us were great!) We finished..barely, but had the time of our lives. We bought a used XR650R, ran our personal bikes on the pre ride and used an extra XR650R that one of us owned for spares. Nice to have tires already mounted to use for spares. We rented a house and cooked all our meals and made lunches for the pre ride...initial costs were a bit high after buying a race bike and trailer and learning our way...this year we have it covered! nothing like experience! If we can come all the way from Montana to race, anyone can! Hard to imagine anyting that's more fun! :clap
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  15. scooteraug02

    scooteraug02 Dog Rancher

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  16. dino2000

    dino2000 No Bad Daze

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    Haven't actually added it up yet. We will have pit support from a Mexican team that my father-in-law (Peruvian living in Bajamar) has hooked us up w/. He has actually set-up our whole schedule for pre-running and racing. They have been kind enough to pre-run w/ us and share thier 20+ years of 500 expereince. I have been going to Baja and riding for many years and my father-in-law and I have always wanted to do this race. In my mid 30's now, I finally have enough dough to pull it off. we'll let you know how it shakes out............
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  17. GnarlyKarle

    GnarlyKarle aka: ici_moto

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    Hey Guys,

    I might of missed this but any idea on the cost to rent/buy a (transponder) tracker.

    Thanks.:1drink

    -dk
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  18. bajaboundmoto

    bajaboundmoto Been here awhile

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    If you mean tracker as in an Iritrack, I dunno, I'd bet it aint cheap (or needed imo). This is the chingis that does almost live tracking online.
    If you mean the required RallyTrack thing it's like $200 after getting your deposit back when it's returned undamaged. This unit only stores info, does not "send" info, and is post-race downloaded by the company that owns them and the info inside (where you went and your speeds) is not public record (unfortunately).
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  19. GnarlyKarle

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    Cool, thanks.

    I was referring to the RallyTrack. I wouldn't think it would be that big of a deal to print out the race info after you pay 200 bucks to rent the thing.


    -dk
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  20. johnson357

    johnson357 Bad Monkey Racing

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    If you are talking about the one SCORE makes you rent, good luck on getting your data from them. I tried after the 500 last year and they gave me the run around the finally quit responding to my emails :kboom
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