Cost of ownership: KTM 1190 vs Multistrada 1200

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  1. ultrarnr

    ultrarnr Adventurer

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    I have been considering a Multistrada 1200 but have started to look at the 2013 KTM 1190. For those who have experience with both KTM and Ducati how do you feel the brands compare as far as cost of maint and other repairs go? Thanks for any insight.
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  2. Martynho

    Martynho No more Chilegringo.

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    If we were comparing commuter bikes I would get this question. I dont think you buy these sort of machines based on the cost of oil filters.

    If servicing costs are a major factor, I would go japanese for sure
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  3. nikoktm

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    "if you have money to buy whiskey, you must have money to buy the ice" :rofl
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  4. Geek

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    If cost of ownership is a real concern; perhaps there are more sensible bikes to choose from.

    Good luck with your decision.
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  5. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    If your question is indicative of your priorities, you are not a
    motorcycle enthusiast and frankly you don't even deserve to
    own fine machinery. You have the mindset which would have
    the entire world driving a beige Toyota Camry because it has
    the lowest operating costs. The mere thought of this makes
    my stomach want to eject its contents like Linda Blair did in
    "The Exorcist".


    One good ride on a KTM LC8-engine bike and any rider
    who is an enthusiast will be thinking : "costs be damned,
    I've got to have this bike !" And that rider won't be
    wondering how much it costs to operate, not then and not
    ever. All the rider will be thinking about is when the next
    ride can happen.


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  6. Martynho

    Martynho No more Chilegringo.

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    :clap I was being polite, but I was thinking this mate. Well said

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  7. It'sNotTheBike

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    :D

    When you grow older, as I have been lucky enough to be able to do,
    you tend to quit worrying about what someone else thinks of what you say and
    you tend to say what you really think. It's a great feeling, not giving a damn
    about what other people think. It frees you up to be who you really are. Truly the
    world would be a better place if everyone did this all the time, regardless
    of their age or station in life. Too much time is wasted on pretense and for
    no measurable gain, unless you like the taste of the bottom of someone
    else's boot. I never liked that taste myself.


    Somewhere in the world there is a person who would sell
    his or her kidney so he or she could own a KTM LC8 bike. They have read everything
    they could find on the bike, they can recite the engine specs from memory,
    they know what makes the engine a superior design, and they know
    about all its race victories. For them no other bike will do, and they dream
    of the day they can own such a bike.They are the sort who deserve to own an
    LC8 bike, not some weenie with a bean-counter mindset who worries about maintenance
    costs.


    If I was in charge of the universe you'd have to pass a test
    before you were allowed to buy nice stuff. Money alone wouldn't
    mean you could have the nice stuff. You'd have to answer some
    questions which would indicate whether you actually deserved to
    own it. The Last Whole Earth Catalog contained a nice treatise on
    what was necessary to earn the right to own a tool. Buying the tool
    alone was not enough, you had to pay your dues to learn why the
    tool was useful and how to best use the tool. Only then could you really
    deserve to own the tool.



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  8. SidewinderX

    SidewinderX Hey, watch this!

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    MTS will cost more to own.

    This is from my experience having ridden 17k on a MTS1200 in 7 months and 12k on a 990 Adv-R in 6 months.....
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  9. Katoom72

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    Unless u don't know how to pickup a wrench urself you're better of with a boring Jap. And believe me, they are boring compared to an European. I ride for the fun of it so KTM is the logic choice.
    Hell even if i could not wrench i'd pick a KTM or any other European over a Jap. Name me 1 Jap that comes close to a Euro bike in riding experience.
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  10. rockycraig

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    hey ultra, welcome to advrider, you have a simple question and get responses that really do you no good, I guess by me typing this I'm doing the same thing cause I don't know the answer to your question but if you have patience someone will give you a first hand answer to your question. I myself was wondering about the cost of service of ktm and went to a ktm shop and asked. they said about a grand for the valve adjustment service. I have enough money for that but at that price it hurts, just don't know if I could stomach that and I do not do my own work except for oil changes. the 1190 r looks like almost a perfect bike for me but 1000 dollars. I guess I'm an old Dutchman cause I almost shit myself at 400 for my r1200 service. so I guess it's all in what you want but I don't want to give up that for service, that's why I got rid of my seadoo boat. good luck with your search no help with the Ducati costs from me.
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  11. Martynho

    Martynho No more Chilegringo.

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    Considered this one?:

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  13. Moronic

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    Interesting question ultranr and one that I too would enjoy having some insight into. Thanks for asking it. :D

    For those suggesting that anybody interested in the answer is unworthy of a KTM, read the question again. :deal

    It is not asking whether an LC8 costs more to run than a Yamaha.

    It is requesting insight on whether the KTM could be expected to cost more or less to run than a Ducati, a notoriously high-maintenance brand which had been high on the OP's next-bike list.


    So, after five years of new-Ducati ownership but none of KTM ownership here is my take on the question - which I hope KTM owners can correct, confirm or add to. :ear

    1. In addition to the cost of desmo valve jobs and timing belts, what adds to the pain with Ducati is the high cost and poor quality of some OEM parts. As I am interested in the 1190, I have taken a look online at some LC8 spares, and they appear to be priced at about 70 per cent of equivalent Ducati spares. Systems also seem to be more available as individual parts. Is the quality higher? Can't say.

    2. The other potential big cost for Ducati owners is the unusually rapid rate of depreciation with miles. A lot of people seem to buy Ducs but not ride them much, and so the used market is flooded with low-mile examples. That cuts demand for higher mileage bikes, even though the basic engineering is solid. My impression is that used KTM buyers are more tolerant of high mileages.

    3. It looks a bit easier to set the valves on a KTM, and you don't have to pay for or tension drive-belts. That should keep costs down and make life easier for do-it-yourselfers.

    4. KTM has added multi-mode ABS and sophisticated traction control to the 1190 but has stayed away from hands-free ignition lock and steering lock and digitally controlled suspension, unlike Ducati. Less to go wrong.
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  14. bikepharmer

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    I went from a KLR to my KTM 990, and have no experience with Ducati, but I share your sense of value. Sadly, I am not in a position to disregard ownership costs, so figuring out maintenance, insurance, and cost of ownership is part of my buying decision. Guess a lot of other folks on here have cash to burn:pimp

    KTM parts seem to be about 30% more than the Jap stuff, and I'm guess a shade less than the Italian stuff. With the HOW you should be able to do a lot of stuff yourself (assuming some translates from the 990 to the 1190). My experience with the KTM 990 is that it is amenable to wrenching after you dig through the body work. The 1190 appears to have an advantage there.

    Dealer support is about the same, maybe slightly favoring KTM since they have more dirt bike shops in some of the medium to smaller towns. Parts are more widely available, but then again I have not bought any Duc parts.

    Just my .02, and I hope some other folks chime in with answers instead of sermons on how costs don't matter.
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  15. crazybrit

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    Christ, this reads like the Aryan Brotherhood of the KTM. Some bizarre byproduct of a childhood where all the other kids got the cool toys.

    This seems high, even if they have to replace shims. However, I think you're on the right track. Pull the owners manual for each bike, pick a point, say 20,000 miles, determine the listed routine maintenance and get estimates. Given the above price I'd suggest calling more than one dealer for each marque.


    Good luck!
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  16. GVWR

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    Just traded my Ducati Multistrada 1200 T (after 24.000 km) for the new Adventure 1190 R :-)
    I've had no bad experiences with build quality of the Duc or any OEM parts.
    The Multi is a great bike, just too sporty and I was missing the touring and off road capacities. And the BMW 1200 ADV I had before the Duc was just too heavy and was lacking the fun part. So KTM seemed the logical choice, and I felt right at home on the R model :-)

    Discovered that e.g. price of a KTM chain and sprockets is approx. half the price of that of Ducati. Looks to me that KTM parts are typically cheaper than Ducati parts. Would also expect that carrying out maintenance yourself would be easier on the KTM. The design of the ducati is too compact. I don't expect a lot of difference in the hourly rates and maintenance intervals of both bikes are much better than they used to be.

    For me the price difference between a new Ducati and the new KTM was something that also helped me switch to KTM. Think with KTM maintenance cost might also help. Good luck with your choice!
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  17. Tails_KTM

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    GVWR, good luck with your 1190. I hope mine will be reliable as well.
    Running cost was not an issue for me, but I certainly hope I don't have to go back to the KTM shop a lot to iron out bugs etc. It just spoils the fun.

    In my opinion, the BMW, Ducati Multistrada and KTM 1190 are all expensive bikes. The depreciation is likely to be high. Also, they need rather specialist tires and there is not that much choice - so these will cost money too.

    Not sure if the KTM will be cheaper than the Ducati - possibly so. They both have a high service interval, I think 15.000 km / 9.000 miles.
    The KTM 990 SM T that someone suggested has a service interval of 7.500 or I believe 4.500 miles. But it's a different bike. Possibly more fun on the road but a lot edgier. Anyway, I rode mine so little that it only needed one service and no tires before trade-in. So I guess it was cheap to own...
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  18. Dr LC8

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    Well...I just bought a Multistrada ex demo with 2400 miles. It is the standard. Yesterday I sat on the new ADV (in both versions S and R) for the first time. It is cool but the Multi is better.

    Keep in mind that the 1190 is a rival of Tenere' 1200, GS 1200, Triumph 1200 and maybe Stelvio. Multistrada is a different bike, eventually is in the same group of the SMT and Honda CrossTourer! If you buy the Multi you bought a street bike in a modern concept. That is it!

    I had experience with Ducati long time ago. It was badish...similar to KTM. Cool bikes, very high performances, expensive to run. They are getting better and better though. If you want a low maintenance bike, trust my experience, buy Honda.

    Ciao

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    Indeed, blood thirsty pack psychology up there with a touch of unexpressed testosterone excretions in the brain. I was about to propose to OP to change his username and come back with an avatar with him dressed in KTM clothing to get a descent answer....
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  20. Wuffi

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    To give an answer to your question,
    With some certainty you can assume that the costs are little bit lower with KTM.

    Ciao
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