Countersteering confusion : (

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by IrishJohn, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. dazeedmonds

    dazeedmonds Been here awhile

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    Texting and riding is one thing, but I can't imagine trying to read advrider and ride at the same time.

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  3. drienkm

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    You're fine. Countersteering is only taught explicitly so that those who really didn't know how to swerve quickly will know how, and to help reinforce the instinct of those who are already comfortable with the idea.
    For me it goes like this... I'm riding... I swerve for some reason... somewhere in the back of my mind I think "Yep - that was countersteering.":ricky

    It's like when you carry a really heavy toolbox in one hand and stick the opposite arm out to the side. Nobody taught you to do it, but if you know basic principles of statics, you can think to yourself "that arm is a counterballance", and perhaps take better advantage of the principle.
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  5. SteelJM1

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  6. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    This has probably been covered before, and its pretty embarrassing considering ive been riding since 18, but I dont really push to initiate a turn. As others mention, it is mostly instinctive to me in terms of lean and all that.

    However, when I need to use bars to help bring the bike back over the top and into the next turn quickly, I find that I PULL the opposite bar. To clarify:

    Suggested method:
    Need to turn left quickly; push the left grip.
    Need to turn right quickly; push the right grip.

    My faulty method:
    Need to turn left quickly; pull the right grip.
    Need to turn right quickly; pull the left grip.

    However again, when I just gingerly make a left at a light, I can feel my body pushing the left bar :huh and the same turning right. It isnt like I dont think about this or that I constantly dont try to hone my control of the bike. It just feels like when I need to shift fast I have so much more control pulling then pushing.
  7. David R

    David R I been called a Nut Job..

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    I found I use both arms.

    I read the book total control. It was suggested to use the inside arm to turn the bike. I then found I use both arms pushing and pulling. It does not matter which method pull or push, the result is the same.

    David
  8. Barry

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    I'm with you. I push left and pull right to turn left, reverse to go right. I literally do not think TURN the bars, I think PUSH PULL the bars... always have.
  9. Lancey

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    Wow,

    My brother just got back from the CLASS Motorcycle School down at VIR. Reg Pridmore was talking riding technique and told the class that he doesn't "believe" in countersteering.

    Instead, Reg said, he shifts his weight left and the bike turns left, shifts his weight right and the bike turns right.

    My brother, who has taken the BRC, ERC and Lee Parks Total Control riding clinic, thought that was a bit strange as up to this point everyone has drilled and drilled on countersteering. Anyway, not doubting Reg's riding cred, my brother said he tried to take a few corners just by leaning and nearly ran off the track.

    This is from the CLASS website..

    Talk about teaching bad habits! WTF?
  11. bonox

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    where's the popcorn? I'm willing to bet you london to a brick that no-one in this thread is changing anyone else's mind about this shit.




    But good marks for trying :rofl
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    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    It really doesn't matter what anyones mind says. The facts remains that a moving motorcycle does NOT TURN without some type of countersteering taking place. :deal

    :D
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  15. IrishJohn

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    THANK YOU!!! I wish I'd never asked the darn question but this along with maybe a handful other answers actually gives me the info I need. Now hopefully this thread will be put our of it's (our) misery : )
  16. farmerstu

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    sorry irish john.I went back and read your o.p. and i really don't think you have it.
    if you are turning you are counteersteering. that is correct.
    however as you asked in post 1 you should.
    1. make a deliberate push or pull on the bars and get used to the reaction of the bike.
    2. repeat, getting gradually more aggressive with your inputs.
    3. do not move your body or lean with the bike when practicing this. make the bike move under you. (don't be rigid,however. this is different than when you are going around a sweeping turn and want to lean your body in the turn.
    4. do this until it become completely automatic.
    5. this is not a skill that is instinctive,
  17. Barry

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    Note to self... never take instruction from Reg Pridmore. Ever.
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    Is it REG PRIDMORE or Boon Booni's brother?:huh Think about it.
  19. Barry

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    Well... one of then is an idiot for sure.
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    Chances are it's NOT Reg.:lol3