Crash in Destruction Bay, YT

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by redbaroness, Aug 9, 2008.

  1. WayneC

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  2. Benesesso

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  3. astroguy

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    I just looked now and the broken lug images are still there.
  4. astroguy

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    Okay....sorry Benesesso....I realize now that you are correct. Yes the offending Rt lug image close ups have all been removed. I hadn't realized that my computer was just pulling up the cached images when I rechecked....when I forced a page 'reload' the lug closeups have been removed! What a joke!
    The really interesting part is when I saw this eBay ad....I immediately fired off a question to the seller as to the particulars of the type of accident. That was last night. I have not gotten any response to the question , but now the images have been removed!!
    In my question to the seller I made no mention of the 'known' 'potential' lug failure issue. I didn't say anything , just 'what happened?" Then the seller takes off the exact images that only seem to prove that he knows of this problem?
    Wish I knew the circumstances in the accident but really looks unlikely now.
  5. Benesesso

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    I just rechecked and they're back! Maybe an eBone screwup?
  6. TonyBKK

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    You guys talking about this picture in the eBay listing?
    [​IMG]

    Pretty much impossible to say if the fork failed and caused the crash or broke as a result of a crash...
  7. Benesesso

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    Yes, but note that it is the right side fork, as usual.
  8. wmax351

    wmax351 Been here awhile

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    If the wheel is still straight, we can make a guess...

    Either way, it shouldn't break in a crash that the bike is still in one piece, as this one is.
  9. WayneC

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    Astroguy, I also fired off some questions to the seller and have not yet received any reply, I am hoping some US based person can pick up the phone and ask a few questions, the phone No is in the Ebay ad
  10. astroguy

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    I finally did get a response yesterday......"No. We got the bike in this condition. It appears to have run into
    something.-partsoffski".
    So it looks like no info forthcoming eh?
    I've toyed with the idea of calling but it really feels dead end.
  11. WayneC

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    Advrider E365 has purchased the machine, his post is in the check your forks thread, the title docs will probably provide some leads but I am not familiar with how the US title documents work really

    Perhaps it would be worthwhile asking the seller who he bought it from as it sounds like it was not from an insurance co
  12. SilkMoneyLove

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    So, is the theory that the rider brakes hard and the force of the braking on the left fork causes some twisting and too much force for the right side fork and it splits/cracks, eventually failing?
    Why else would the right side be more prone to failure?
    Either way, crashing sucks donkey balls.
  13. Romet

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    Thanks for posting this. I was just about the buy the same year and model.
  14. PT Rider

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    The theory is that BMW designed the parts too weak. BMW later improved the parts but retained the same part numbers. This part number game is exactly what GM is being castigated for regarding the defective ignition switches in the cars that caused fatal crashes.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7633376&postcount=92[​IMG]
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    Reminds me of...

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    Just needs a little JB Weld and some zip ties :-)
  17. WayneC

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    PT Rider, the manner and timing of the ending of the NHTSA preliminary enquiry into the GS axle lug breakages was so strange it smelt of brown paper bags

    Considering what is happening with GM it would be worthwhile US people raising questions over NHTSA handling of the GS failures at political levels
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  19. WayneC

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    As for NHTSA, if you want a laugh I have copies of the pdf's on my web site and received a take down notice from ISO Stds body, it turns out one of the docs is simply the ISO STD for corrosion. I took that one down and told ISO to take to NHTSA as NHTSA is required to put up the submissions
  20. atomicalex

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    Do I need to wade in here? I've worked on some recalls and assorted automotive failures that got to recall status.

    I've been poking around again, all signs point to the fact that no one can ID a solid, real cause for the failures, so there is legally nothing to recall. BMW responded properly, and NHTSA left open the avenue that the defect is undefined, which gives owners specific legal rights. If the defect was defined and a recall issued, all hell would break loose with people having to give up bikes until a solution was found and then the issue of replacements and so on.

    Do I want to find out what the cause is? Yes. Actually, based on the failures I've seen pics of, it's what's known as a cold casting defect and is wickedly hard to track down. It only occurs on the startup of the casting line under certain conditions. Typically great care is taken to avoid having those parts get into the food chain, but if the vendor was not careful, it is possible a few could. So BMW redesigned and NHTSA closed.

    Without more failures that look alike, it will not be possible for NHTSA to recall. Or for that matter, for BMW to completely and without question eliminate the defect.