Ct police state pushing through plans to degrade Pachaug State Forest

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  1. KeithC

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    Our nearly bankrupt state continues to push forward with plans to build a firing range within the area of the Pachaug State forest, which is home to the Pachaug Enduro loop. "The loop" is one of 2 public places where off road motorcycles are allowed to operate legally in Ct. The last price tag for the range I saw is in excess of 20 million dollars. We cannot afford it monetarily, or from the perspective of degradation of this public asset. http://www.netra.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Pachaug-Trifold.pdf
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  3. KeithC

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    Well I ...er...um....thats not quite what I was getting at, but lets just say I wont be comforted by the idea of a big shooting range for the police in our state forest..
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    Can appreciate when someone feels infringed upon, but as the father of a CT State Trooper, I’m glad they found SOME place to train! “Sorry” if it cuts into your space.

    If you are worried about being hit accidentally, I think you know they would take extremely seriously, the necessary barriers and so forth.
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    The issue is not them having a place to train...of course, we all want that. The question is, is it necessary to take what little remains of rural, open space in the state, and intensively develop it? Connecticut has vast amounts of underused, urban and suburban space that could be cleared and used for a training ground. How about GE headquarters? You don't need to reduce the size of eastern Connecticut and Rhode Island's largest forested area. Did you know that when you fly from Washington to Boston at night, the only dark area along the eastern seaboard is Pachaug and it's environs?
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  7. KeithC

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    I'm not sure what being a father of a state trooper has to do with any of this. They already have someplace to train, actually places to train. I dont think you are sincere when you say "sorry". I never implied I was worried about being hit. My main issues are the fact that the people running our state have been irresponsible for many years with our tax dollars, and our state is edging closer to insolvency. It seems to me that spending over 20 million dollars on this (thats just to build it, not maintain, heat, and power etc) is reckless and excessive. It also makes little sense to locate a facility that will be used by all the troopers somewhere other than in the middle of the state. At risk of sounding anti state trooper (because I'm not) I will say that I really dont know what would be taken "extremely seriously" most of the time I encounter police they are using their phones while driving, speeding, letting the cruiser idle excessively, and all sorts of other behaviors that do not denote a very serious person (yeah I know they are allowed to do all that stuff; doesn't make it right though)..so "sorry" to disagree with you. I think the state needs to sharpen their pencils and come up with something more sustainable, and practical. (and everything Rhode trip said)...
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  8. KeithC

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    Also, for what its worth Soupy1957 I dont expect to change your mind on this matter of the range or anything, but I noticed you are a recently minted "inmate" here so I thought I should say welcome to ADV and safe travels to you.
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  9. gks

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    Actually, the state does not plan to use part of the state forest for the range, but purchase land that is adjacent.
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    Lots of good info and answers to questions here:
    http://www.ct.gov/csprange/cwp/view.asp?a=4863&q=581068&csprangeNav=|
    and here:
    http://www.ct.gov/csprange/cwp/view.asp?a=4862&Q=581064&csprangeNav=|

    Additionally, I have studied the map on the opposition website
    http://www.keepgriswoldquiet.com/
    and believe that the range itself (don't know about access roads yet) will have minimal impact on the Pachaug motorcycle trail. There is perhaps one woods road and one single track trail that would be affected, but easily bypassed on state forest roads. We might even talk to the ranger that manages Pachaug and be able to replace the trail section with another.

    So, in summary, the state police shooting range proposed for Griswold will not be IN Pachaug State Forest, but adjacent, and should have minimal effect on the motorcycle trail.
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    ^^^^That doesn't sound right.
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    Thanks
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    Not that this is part of the discussion but I thought you might be interested to know, my son had indicated that they don’t chase motorcyclists anymore that are exceeding the speed limit. He said “we will just wait and pick up the pieces later.”

    As for the State itself, and the irresponsible way in which the state has been conducting its business, I totally agree with you that the State has a lot of major issues that need to be resolved.
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    Well, that part is not right. That property is 'One Eyed Mary's'. One of the main, blue-blazed hiking trails crosses through there. Heads west off of Lee Rd between the 2 fields across from the house. Lee Rd is a main dual-sport route. And an infamous section of the Pachaug motorcycle trail runs right through there and down the hill.
    I think you will find that DEEP's regulations are the same as RIDEM: " absolutely no new trails may be cut." They won't even allow new Hiking trails, let alone a new motorcycle trail. That'll never happen.
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    From what news I've heard, a dozen State Troopers have recently been laid off. Also a class of 79 cadets have been deterred and will not become Troopers. This was all because of State budget cuts. So why does Connecticut need more shooting ranges for less Troopers? ? Cut Troopers jobs and then build a 20 million dollar shooting range ??
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    I'm amazed at how many people want the state to spend 10s of millions that we cant afford on this (which is why it would be done on credit ie bonded)... it defies common sense from so many different perspectives. this year the state couldn't afford to give towns the pilot money they were expecting, and ironically enough could not afford to open the camp ground at Green Falls, and had a reduced season at Mt Misery campground.. GKS is correct the proposed range is not IN Pachaug ( I didnt say it was, I said within the area of Pachaug) but its a tough argument that it would not degrade Pachaug, which is another point I'm trying to convey.
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    Hey, I am as much of a tree hugger as the next guy, but.............

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    As part of the board of C.O.R.E.C. (CT Off-road Enthusiasts Coalition) I am extremely dismayed to see more aggressive land grabs of open space. Right now the State only has ONE area for plated D/S bikes - and that is Pachaug. We have one Federal area (Thomaston Dam) for non-plated but State registered dirt bikes. AND we have ZERO State land for any other modality of OHV vehicles - that's right ZERO.

    We have been working with the State DEEP on feasibility studies for other pieces of State land but now this move infringes on the only one we currently have. $20MM is far in excess of what the State coffers can reasonably manage and another dumb move by an already fiscally challenged government.

    I love our State Police - don't get me wrong - I respect what they do but yes, they already have several areas that work great for training.

    Our State needs open space for all of our residents to enjoy and we must push back on any initiatives like this before it is ALL GONE and then we won't have any chance to reverse it - but only to move to another state where recreational land still exists and is protected by the respective government for its citizens.

    CT will hurt more without the tax dollars of all the residents who have been pushed out as the benefits of living here further decrease - it has already started happening. Industry is moving out, corporations are leaving as was well as good paying jobs. Taxes keep increasing as well as other costs of living. Come on CT - don't make this into a State nobody wants to live in.

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    I don't live CT....but we have similar issues here that, instead of using underutilized and vacant property which was previously developed, they develop the what little is left of natural and forested areas.

    In my county there are so many vacant big box retail and industrial sites but they put a new strip mall two miles down the road on forested previously undeveloped acreage.
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    Wrote. Thanks for the heads up.
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