Curious about the Super Tenere

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Twinner, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. Kawidad

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    One thing not really mentioned, but the GS needs premium gasoline, which over the course of ownership adds to the costs and potential hassle when riding in BFE. Unnecessarily so, IMO. :deal
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  2. MariusD

    MariusD Been here awhile

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    Technically, so does the s10.
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  3. TeneRay

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    Never rode a GS. I bet they're nice, especially with the telelever front fork design. However, this is my justification for the Tenere over the GS:

    I picked up a brand new, year end Tenere on trade in (2007 DL1000) for literally half the cost of a fully loaded GSA. I also managed to add a luggage system and still fall under the halfway mark.

    There has to be some serious benefits to justify spending an extra 10k on a BMW.

    I'm 5'4" and the ergos on the Tenere are a bit spaced out for me. I find myself hunched over the tank as I reach for the bars. Risers might do the trick.

    Probably the most well balanced bike I've rode. Handles extremely well at low speeds but I don't trust it too much in the twisties. Visa versa for the DL1000.

    Power seems vague and linear. Don't get me wrong; it hauls but not like you would expect from a 1200.

    Pro: Best bang for your buck when it comes to the large machines (especially in the shaft-drive lineup).

    Cons: None so far. Haven't had it long enough to come up with any. When I purchased my DL1000 a while ago, I thought it was the best thing ever. When I traded it two weeks ago, I could write you a list of cons on reasons not to purchase a DL1000.
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  4. Kenbike

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    One note on power, my bike has the CMJ, Arrow header, Two Brothers slip on and a PCV with a custom map. It hit about 95 hp on the dyno and 80 ft lbs of torque. My last bike was a KTM 990 Adv. with about the same mods and Super Duke cams. I would say 0 to 80 mph the Tenere is faster and over 80 to 120 mph they feel very close. I am very happy with the performance of the bike and really do not feel it is lacking for the type of riding I like.
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  5. GrahamD

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    Compression ratios

    R1200GS 2013 12.5 :1
    R1200GS 2012 12.0 :1
    KTM 990 11.5 :1
    Vstrom 1000 11.3 :1
    VStrom 650 11.2 :1
    Tiger Explorer 11.0 :1
    Tiger 800 11.0 :1
    Super Tenere 11.0 .1
    TDM 900 10.5 :1

    Gives you an idea what bikes are least vulnerable to low octane fuel. A point and a half difference on the GS tells me it's a bit more needy of the premium stuff over the S10.

    So Technically the standard S10, Explorer, T800 are on the edge. Used sensibly it's not an issue. If you want to run WOT all over the place on hot days you may be pushing it.
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  6. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    I'm sure some will disagree but here are my impressions as an S10 owner: Excellent handling thanks to its very low center of gravity, feels very flickable without sacrificing stability. Solid as a rock at 200 kph. Good weather protection for me at 5'7" thanks to the fairly wide tank bodywork and an effective screen setup (stock screen with tobinator brackets). Can't comment on the pillion comfort but the stock seat is ok. As long as the roads are twisty I can ride all day on it without much discomfort. If I'm super-slabbing for long distances I do start to get monkey butt after a while. As far as power goes, the Super Tenere is not a slow bike by any means. But the new LC GS pulls a lot harder.

    The Pros:
    Looks
    ABS braking and traction control intervention are seamless
    Handling
    Reliability
    Suspension
    Low maintenance
    Bang for the buck

    The Cons:
    Restrictions in first 3 gears (can be eliminated)
    Overly conservative drive modes (touring is useless imo)
    No handlebar controls for dash functions
    No gear indicator (not essential but why not include it on a $14,000 bike?)
    No cruise control despite fly by wire throttle setup (should be an option)
    Engine performance a bit underwhelming compared to the new GS
    Traction control can't be changed on the fly

    You should really try to scrounge up a test ride on a GS and an S10 and decide for yourself.
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  7. GrahamD

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    1) Until it gets rough and/or slimy then it works well. = Pro
    2) Real men don't need no gear indicator. But top gear indicator would be nice, a bit whimpy but nice..
    3) See above.

    :D
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  8. twinrider

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    Good point. :D Should clarify that I haven't ridden the S10 offroad yet so maybe the Touring mode will prove useful then. On road SS is my normal mode and S is for slippery conditions or super slabbing.
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  9. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    +1 to most of the above & not much written about passenger comfort, so . . .

    Lots of Tenere owners have found that flattening the seat with a couple of rubber bumpers from the hardware store makes a huge improvement.

    Same for the pillion seat. We raised the front of the pillion with a 3/8" spacer and with a sheep skin pad, my lady likes the S10 more than anything else she's been on. She's been good for 10 hour days on it.
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  10. bmac

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    Don't listen to that crazy Spaniard as he was never normal and never will be.

    The VFR1200 has an amazing motor and a Honda Crosstourer may be a better choice if it is available where you are. The motor on the S10 is ok but nothing to get excited about. The overall package is excellent but if I had the Crosstourer available when I bought the S10 I may have made a different purchase.

    I came from an FJR1300 and find the S10 way more comfortable and corners better as well. I am 6'3" so I like the extra height and comfort on the S10. I thought the stock seat was ok but than I ordered a Corbin and all I can say is "WOW". It is now all day comfortable.

    Passenger accommodations are pretty good and my wife has not complained at all.

    I changed the windscreen out to an adjustable one and it works great. Overall protection on the upper torso is very good but from the knees down you have a fair amount of exposure to the elements.

    Overall, it is an excellent bike.
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  11. Rick West

    Rick West Function not Farkles

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    As you say you are a pavement only rider, so I will just deal with that aspect.

    I just got home from the UK where I rode my friend's new KTM 1190R and the new L/C GS. If you want to compare the S10 to these two bikes on pavement, the S10 gets blown away. The KTM and the GS have really upped the street ability of the large dual sport bikes to such a degree that the KTM is now closer to my Multistada in performance, and the GS, while slower than the KTM, handles very well too.

    If Yamaha does a much needed redesign of the S10, it too will likely be a much better bike on the street, but for now when compared to these two new bikes, it doesn't compete unless price is the only consideration.

    Like day old bread, the S10 can't compete with todays products.
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  12. RocketJohn

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    I understand your comparison above, but come on... does not compete? Are there touring bike drag races going on where you live? The S10 has the ability to get highly illegal, with regard to compliance to local, state and federal speed laws, in just about every gear. It is difficult to use the power it has, let alone 50 more HP it absolutely does not need. Now I only weigh 200lbs, so maybe you are much heavier and trying to two up your large wife and hauling a trailer, I do not know. But Yamaha does not NEED to do a redesign anytime soon. Any realistically, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one any time in the near future.

    And I will gladly relinquish this roll-on or 0-60 or 1/4 mile trophy, to have Yamaha reliability. 90% of the time I'm in touring mode with 30 less HP b/c you just don't need the extra hit of acceleration as the torque is so prodigious in this impressive machine.

    The internet is difficult to read sometimes, so your tone above is probably just sarcasm and silliness.
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  13. pluric

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    Not this time. Mr West has a long history of KTM worship. He likes to stick his head into these
    threads every once in a while to remind us of what we are missing. He has been reminded several
    times that the items you mentioned are more important to Tenere owners than a horsepower race.
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    :eek1 Without a picture of this I call BS!!! :lol3
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  15. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    As much as I hate to agree with that scoundrel Pluric :evil, yes, Mr. West has been a KeepsTakingMoney troll before.

    But even then, then Tenere is only slower and such when head to head in an actual contest and how few people do that? In the real world of you and the bike, the Tenere is much easier to make into a mile muncher than the KTM. Narrow wind coverage, seat issues, and a chain? No thanks. The Tenere and GS are truly all-day comfortable.

    I won't knock the Beemer GS here, as the ergonomics and how a person relates to a machine are very individual. But I will point out that there are a heck of a lot of would-be or ex-GS owners who've moved to the Tenere.
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  16. pluric

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    Boy, you mount one camel around here and that's all people remember. Sheeesh.:rolleyes

    I don't see what the big deal with agreeing with me is. I'm always right so just deal with it.:wink::D
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  17. pluric

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    As with day old bread, you pay less and are just as full when you eat it.:D
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  18. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    haha :clap
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    If they went after these bikes it would probably have a YZF or TRX prefix. I don't think it would have an XT prefix.

    The 90% of riders who are as soft as fresh bread would like that, BUT if they did a better job for the same price they would all be moaning about it.

    I don't expect the Euro snobs to go anywhere near it no matter how much bullshit they stick on it.There will always be some kind of problem.
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  20. twinrider

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    There's an inmate in the GS forum whose 220 mile LC GS ate its starter gears, requiring a new engine. Looks like his bread was only half baked....
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