Cutting New Dirt Bike Trails Through Woods ! - QUESTION !

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Barry, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. Barry

    Barry Just Beastly

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    I want to see if any of you "outdoorsy" types have any thoughts or opinions on my plan.

    I got a ton of woods that back to my property. They are in turn backed by a railroad. Tons of woods.

    I WANT TO RIDE THEM !

    So my plan is to get some buddies over, 6-10 (more the merrier) and we all ride single file through the woods to "cut" trails. Is it just that simple? There are no existing trails. Not a ton of deadfall. I'll cut out of the way what I must AFTER we have a trail network built up.

    I'm not dropping trees or saplings to make the trail. I simply need to wear one into the forest.

    So, is that a good plan ?

    Barry

    ps - Tree huggers can post somewhere else... your input is not needed or wanted!
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  2. dirtrider

    dirtrider Dusty Adventurer

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    It's that easy. The more you ride it, the better the trail will get. Don't cut out all of the dead fall, that would take some of the fun out of it.
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  3. FatChance

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    I'm about as far from a tree hugger as you can get, but I would first talk with the land owner (since you say the property butts up to the back of your property) before you even go on it. Even if it belongs to the railroad, you do not have the right to trespass, much less start making trails.
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  4. dirtrider

    dirtrider Dusty Adventurer

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    Good point!

    Fatchance is right. Permission is very important, otherwise you could open a huge can of worms.
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  5. Barry

    Barry Just Beastly

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    I'm guessing that the property between the tracks and my house is either 1) railroad property all the way to my land, or 2) county land in between my land and the railroad property.

    I am NOT asking permission - that's the quickest way to be told "NO!"... It's in the boonies, not near a road, no access by truck/4x4, etc. It's there, unused, and I wouldn't be beating old women and/or dealing crack, I'd be riding my dirtbike. Nobody will be the wiser that anyone is back there. Unless YOU are also there on a dirtbike or quad.

    Since it's that easy, I'm on it. NEXT is me renting a D70 to build an MX track on my property. Ultimately it will be MX track AND woods trails. I got an XR and a KX !

    WooT !
    Barry
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  6. Jabba

    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    BAH! You bought a dirtbike, right? Look at the tires- are they knobbies? That land is made of dirt, isn't it? Seems like fate to me- I say ride that shit!
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  7. Barry

    Barry Just Beastly

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    Exactly. Riding land nobody cares about, goes to, or ever sees? I see no problem there. Hell, some of it is mine, I just don't know how much. :D

    Barry
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  8. matey peeps

    matey peeps Bead Buddy

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    just facking do it. if ever caught say 'whoops, sorry.' be sure to take off your helmet and let them know you're not some young punk kid. unless of course you are a young punk, then you're screwed and will have to find another home for your meth lab.

    far easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission i always say. :freaky
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  9. spagthorpe

    spagthorpe Long timer

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    Always easier to ask foregivness than permission.

    Of course, do that shit in CA, and people will string up piano wire between trees and shit.
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  10. FatChance

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    Barry - It is people with attitudes like yours that are causing all of the riding areas around the county to be shut down for all access and giving all responsible riders a bad name. If you want to use someone else's property to ride on, buy it and then use it as you like. You want to use someone else's land for you own uses and make your own trails on it? Stand up on your back legs and buy it or stay off. You can justify it any which way you want, but you're screwing all legitimate off road riders. Grow up and take some responsibility. And, don't come back whining when you get arrested and justifiably sued for trespassing and willful destruction of private property. If I were on the jury, you'd get the max, Mr. "I don't give a fuck about other people's private property" dood.
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  11. Mountain Goat

    Mountain Goat Wandering Bike Dude

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    Stop and Think. This isn't some stupid Marxist country, this is the USA and we have private property rights here. Get permission or stay off.

    MG
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  12. Jabba

    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    I don't recall him saying anything about "No Trespassing" signs... sounds almost sure it's RR company land... so what the hell is the big deal? "You made knobby tracks in my dirt!!!" Oh My- the horror!!!! If somebody asks you to stop- you stop. Why all the litigious bullshit? Can't we all just get along???
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  13. FatChance

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    Jabba - We can all get along as long as we all obey the law and respect other people's private property rights. The land isn't his and he has NO right to cut trails on it. He would deserve getting busted if he did.
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    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    You obviously don't remember the 70's! That was the essence of the riding we did back then- and it was a blast. Didn't do any harm, either. If ya get caught you say "sorry" and offer to tidy things up. BFD. Lawsuits over shit like this are the sole property of litigious assholes.
    A sidenote just to piss you off some more: When I was a kid we used to go spearfishing at the beach a few miles from my house. The flounder suffered greatly at our hands for several summers (and tasted great!). The folks along that stretch of cove believed that because they bought beachfront property they owned the beach itself. I knew that wasn't the law in NH- and it pissed me off that they'd always try to kick us out of there. One day I was walking back along the edge of the water with a dive bag full of fresh flounder and some old Crone came along and told me to get off "Her" beach. I said, "You OWN the beach?" and she stood there with her hands on her hips and said, "That's right!". So I said, "Hmmmm.... do you own the Atlantic ocean too?" and stepped two feet into the water and flipped her off. The rest of the summer I would walk along the edge of the water and whenver I'd see her coming I'd step into the water and wave :wave Owning land is a pipedream- at best it's just a lease~
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    Stories about you being a jerk aren't part of this issue. He IS talking about doing some harm on someone else's property. He doesn't own the land and wants to cut his own trails on it. I well remember the 70's, but I also am a land owner and can appreciate what private property rights are all about. BTW, next time I'm riding in your neighborhood, I'll stop and dump a big, smelly shit on your front lawn. That's not a problem, right dood? Hell, we used to do that in the 70's but that doesn't make it right.
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    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    No prob dude- I've got a moat!
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  17. Team Dennis

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    You may have a moat, but you certainly don't have a clue.
    You sound like a prime example of the ugly American. :bash
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    I find it interesting to note the differences in the views of private property rights between easterners and those of us in the west. Maybe the Sagebrush Rebellion has something to do with it? Or maybe the self-reliant attitude that seems to be more popular out in the west? :dunno One way or another, you don't screw around with someone else's property, it doesn't matter if it is a little old lady's or the railroad's. What's yours is yours and what isn't isn't. Pretty simple to me.
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    1stiski Ride that nasty thing

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    Boys, Boys,refering to Barry, FatChance and Jabba,Now lets be adults about this. You can kick my ass if i"m wrong, Barry, you live in VA,, don't you have excellent (open for motorized vehicles) State Forrest near you? I believe that there is ALOT of riding had in your back yard, all of it legal, YES?,,, FatChance, living in Durrango, CO, near the San Juan Mountains, yes open to all sorts of off roading, your alittle spoiled in your neck of the woods. The East Coast mentality of Private land is "Keep Out or your Dead". No compromise, no questions, Yes, we have trouble back east with access to public forrest lands, Off roading, wether it is Jeep, Motorbike, Bicycle, just about anything with wheels is limited. NO SHIT,, The private landowners should be pressuring their congressman "why can't the public lands be open to this type of recreation", My Taxes pay for that land. As
    For the private land owner (for you Jabba) I can't blame them for the protecting themselfs, I wouldn't want someone who has no permission to access my land sueing me because they got hurt on MY land. I would like to see the forrest managment become more open to this idea, because it seems quite successful out west, Companys run outdoor adventures and make money on that public land, and pay taxes back, its a 2 way street , but back east its a one way road.
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  20. Jabba

    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    Yeah- "Westerners" are real good at not abusing other peoples' land! :rofl How about private grazing on public lands? How about dewatering the riverways for private water use in farming? How about destruction of millions of acres beneath the useless impoundments of the Snake river so that barges can run farther inland right alongside the existing railroad?- while wiping out the native salmon runs of the river? Yep- that's considerate. Jeesh- his post was about land that was unused, uninhabited, and adjacent to his own- sandwiched up against a railroad track. It's not presented as a wildlife preserve, a wetland, a backyard, a "greenway" (whatever the fuck that is) or anything similar. And it's not posted. What I was calling for was a little common sense, no harm-no foul use. Seems to me if noboby's bothered by his actions then there's no offense. You fuckers turned it into soiling of the holy drawers. I'm a considerate neighbor, law abiding, tax paying, and land respecting, but open minded enough to think that just maybe there's too goddamned many laws, rules, regs, keep out signs, lawsuits and general hard-ons for our own good. It's a fucking small motorcycle riding across open land- what is the big fucking crime in that, oh mighty, free and self-reliant Westerners? A touch of militancy is the foundation of a Westerner in my book. You guys sound like namby pamby trial lawyers fer crissakes.
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