Dakar 2013 - Official Event Coverage - thank you ALL TeamF5, lurkers and posters!

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  1. cvlighthouse

    cvlighthouse keep it in your pants!

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    Is this some kind of conspiracy? Anyone here involved with this? :eek1

    Found: http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/sh...13-Stage-4-Nazca-Peru-gt-Arequipa-Peru/page21
  2. rmhrc628

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    that is legendary el ponkin
  3. kamanya

    kamanya Andrew to most

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    Shit, so that's what a full factory Guerlain Chicherit level F5irehose equivalent entry looks like!
  4. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    I thought we had much a much quicker feed update for Morocco - but what the hell, its about now now :lol3
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    orlando_orange deslyxic tepyr

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    nice!! do you think if i print this picture out and put it on the coffee table where the missus has currently piled her stacks of shabby chic interior decorating books she'll take the hint?
  6. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    I had a conversation about just this the other day with John Mitchinson... RRUK moto-tinker extraordiaire, desert rat and all round gentleman rascal... :wave

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    Dr John on right at the 2011 Tuareg... the day after he "rescued" KEVA Kent from a concussive crash in the maroccan desert... and here on one of his awesome 690 Raid creations. :deal

    Now the point of this post isn't to single out RG or HRC... because - let's be honest - there are many, most (if not almost all) of the competitors at DAKAr over the last few years who break or at least bend the rules as they are written, in terms of "oiutside assistance", illicit communication, telephones/gps assistance etc. etc. etc.

    Dare I say, if you applied the rules to the letter of the law, you could exclude at least two thirds of the field on those grounds without too much drama... but it becomes ridiculously pointless AND an administrative impossibilty to police and enforce.

    In todays world where gps/satellite technology and the communications network allows an individual to make a telephone call from one barren wasteland, on one side of the globe, to a wall street office several time zones removed, give a GPS co ordinate, and have the person sitting behind the desk use google earth to pin point them, call the bivouac and give a verbal (and text message sent by cell phone) to the team personel on the ground, describing EXACTLY where they are, and even give them directions on how to get to them (from where the bivouac is) and what the problem (mechanical) is.

    I mean, even here at the omnipotent ADVRider f5 fortress, you have inmates making world wide donation pledges via the net and communication with the bivouac to source tyres, engines... whatever on behalf of riders who are still out on the course with drama's, in a (well intentioned) effort to keep them in the event... but really, it perverts the whole idea of the race. "Yeah, I did Malle Moto's DAKAR 2012... all on my own... oh, yeah... with support from the f5 network, Marty's hardware and plumbing supplies in Ontario, the kind donations of several hundred annonymous benefactors and the services of DHL worldwide..." :huh

    It all pretty much makes a mockery of the concept of man/machine against the elements - no outside assistance - as the TSO original theme of "Le dakar" was... and to be honest in 2012, it is probably unrealistic to think we can go back there (unless another event with these principles is created to take the place), because DAKAR has become a business... a product... and like any product, to be commercially viable it needs to keep pace with the times, sponsor expectations market demands... etc.

    As I see it there are two ways to go... if the "cheating" is to be weeded out (almost impossible) you could go back to the old days... just a map roll, tripmeter and a magnetic compass... put a spot tracker on the bikes (tracker) and give each rider a locked telephone (emergency situation only - time penalties if used for other than "emergency" call)... 1979 with improved saftey that the 21st century affords...


    OR

    Just make it open slather... let them have their phones and GPS positioning systems, call to the bivouac for care package etc. whatever...

    Like the doping thing in the olympics or cycling (Tour d'France... boy does ASO have some headaches on their plate? :lol3), maybe the times and technology (science) has outpaced the original (innocent amateur) ideals of what the sport has become today... at least in the upper echelons?

    Just let the rules read "no holds barred" and let them go at it... it is increasingly hard (impossible) to police the regulations as far as communication/outside service; to do so becomes an incredibly convoluted, time consuming excercise in absurdity... and the "cheaters" will still cheat... I mean it's impossible to police everyone inconjunction with the event for carry a cell phone or device with GPS capability.

    Once upon a time the remoteness of Africa and the limited communication network CREATED a secure/level playing field (to some extent) and the notion of "outside service" was largely self policing... but today in 21st century sth America; a whole other ball game.

    Bluebulls post from yesterday was a poignant reminder that the DAKAR has outgrown it's humble original ideal... maybe it is time to let iot go forward and become the Desert equivalent of F1... multiple day, sprint stages, on course live coverage and timing/tracking, pit stops during the day, VIP hospitality suites in the bivouac and flatbills and motorhomes for everyone! :clap

    ... but what (how) can you create something (else) - for the everyday sportsmen and amateurs - where the original values are still the prime motivation...?

    Maybe the grass roots events are the way to go for the "enthusiasts" out there... while DAKAR and the FIM CCR can go the F1 route and cater to the factories and well financed elite? :ear
  7. rmhrc628

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    Who is that!!!!
  8. Drif10

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    Smile, dammit!

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    This year, Beaulé and Turcotte are both back with the support of Aldo Racing but in the pilot seat this time.

    Pat on his KTM 450 RR #154 has moved up from 86th to 52nd over the first 4 stages.

    Yvan driving MAN truck #568 was 47th yesterday and has moved up from 72nd to 56th overall.

    Way to go guys :clap :clap :clap

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  12. HellasRally

    HellasRally Been here awhile

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    1. Tracking systems are made basically for safety and to enforce fair play.

    2. Live coverage with video and photos in a race so big in such remote places, would be logistics nightmare and definitely with a cost.

    3. Would you pay for it?? ASO does nothing without a good income out of everything.

    I am afraid that this virtual stadium would get CCRR in the same future as WRC
  13. rallyman1978

    rallyman1978 Been here awhile

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    i think the actual video footage and coverage has been pretty good this year. they just need a better way of tracking the riders live.... i can't see how having live or almost live tracking on a map will really give the teams any more of an advantage than they have now - everyone seems to know when people are off track or stopped straight away anyway... plus as long as they can't communicate to the riders then it doesn't matter if the bivouac knows they're off track.
  16. Flood

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    Yes, but what about the cars, starting later on the same stage? Writing code to aggregate all positions of the bikes and making it into a GPS track and then streaming this to a small GPS/smartphone in a co-driver's hand is too easy.

    I heard about some of the car teams in the Tuareg having an enormous amount of data at their disposal, who don't care about the rules at all. This would be a deal maker/breaker in the hands of the factory car teams.
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    Team HRC - Dakar 2013, day four

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  18. Drif10

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    As I posted before: The sponsors pay for this event, not the damn ASO. They just decide how they're gonna spend the money.

    Think like a sponsor for a moment. I want maximum exposure for my brand, for my dollars spent.

    Using the technology already in place to greatly enhance the viewing, and by extension the viewership, and is something that I already am paying for them to have (iritrack), is only right, don't you think?

    We're not talking about re-inventing the wheel here folks, just allow the fans (who ultimately pay for this) a reasonable level of access to existing facets of the entertainment.

    The ASO aren't a charity, I know. Business culture is not known for its altruism. Here's a chance for them to take their product to more viewers, and they're treating the internet like Dorna does: As the enemy.

    For how many years now have when been hacking on the ASO for their lack of change when it comes to anything we have access to. How many times have competitors commented here that we still know way more than them in the bivouac?

    Thing is, the F5 crew show them what is possible, and find a way to do it.

    The ASO just keeps doing things the way they've always done them, and we get to bleat about it.

    Status quo.
  19. El Ponkin

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    Show us your F5 crib, suck on that Chicherit !!
  20. rallyman1978

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    They came back at me with a "revised" offer, which I am considering....whilst also applying for new jobs :wink: