Dakar 2013 - Official Event Coverage - thank you ALL TeamF5, lurkers and posters!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by doyle, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. dox

    dox How much for the ape?

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,653
    Location:
    Athens, OH
    There was never a single person in mine either, until my wife started a new job in 2009. A few years ago, I met my wife's co-worker. He's a Chilean ex-pat, living in the US for the last 25 years or so. He's a sports nut, so he doesn't focus directly on Dakar as much as I do... but he understands just how obsessed I am with the Rally and is excited to see it travel through his homeland.

    Over the holidays, he traveled home to Concepcion, Chile. A few days ago, when he returned, he sent my wife home with a gift for me that he purchased in the shops near his family's home.

    [​IMG]

    Not sure how authentic they are, but they sure look like licensed merchandise. Dakar on all the labels, tags, even the buttons on the polo shirt!

    [​IMG]

    I cannot describe how happy I was when I opened the gift bag. The fact that he was thousands of miles away, wandering around in shops with his family and thought of me - the Dakar nut husband of a coworker - and bought them (only to drag them thousands of miles home) is just so cool.

    Alberto will never see this, so I'll have to tell him in person but - Thanks mate, best gift I've received in a very long time.
  2. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2005
    Oddometer:
    19,485
    Location:
    New Hampshah
    I'm going to learn a useful amount of French for next year. Yep.


    Thinking about the TV audiences, maybe the time is finally ripe for the Dakar Reality Gameshow that Charlie and Hogwild were in the pilot for, so many years ago.

    At least it would be something.
  3. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Oddometer:
    21,636
    Location:
    "Pearl of the sound" - f5ederation of scandwegia
    I had the privellige of talking with Ned during last years rally, together with PackMule, prior to one of his RallyRadio call in's. In the banter before Nate hit the record button, one of the things that impressed me, was the genuine way that ned seemed to be thoroughly immersed and enjoying th experience that was Dakar, he was jus sooooo damned glad to be a part of it... I got the impression that he enjoyed EVERYTHING... the dry throat parching tatse of the fexh fesh, the encrusted dust cornflakes that accumulate in your nasal cavity, the sting of sweat and sand in your eyes, even though you are wearing the best goggles money can buy, the smell of that helmet liner after 10 days... the fact that it no longer bothers you after ten days... :lol3

    Ned was high on the whole deal and lovin' it, This coupled with his undoubted riding skills, pragmatic tenacity and most of all (I thought) a sound realistic approach to something that is tough... but achievable, provided it is approached with respect. I think that ned had a respect for the rally, but even moreso a respect for himself. The respect not to let ones self get caught up in the hype of "racing" the Dakar... racing others or even racing ones self.

    He said something prior to the event - I am paraphrasing . but I think it is pretty close; "A lot of people enter the Dakar with the expressed goal of finishing... and then (somewhere along the journey) they get caught up in racing the Dakar" (and thatäs how it ends for them).

    That struck a chord... probably the single most profound comment/statement I have ever seen read or heard, with respect to the "everyday joe" approach to rallyings everest.

    And that's who Ned is... an everyday joe, with a damned awesome work ethic, more than a dose of skill and determination and all round good bloke while he is at it.

    I for one hope he takes another stab at it one day. He'll do a bloody good job of it, that we can all be sure of! :clap
  4. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,079
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Not caught up all the way but wanted to throw some input here.

    Over the course of the stage, there are often on the order of 30 waypoints, between speed zone entrance and exits, WPM, WPS, DSS, ASS, etc. The GPS records mileage as covered on the ground, UNTIL you collect one of those 30 waypoints, at which point it sets itself correctly to the roadbook.

    So, the advantage of the GPS odo is that it automatically corrects itself. I found myself using it more and more heavily as the rally progressed.

    The drawback is that you can't increment or decrement it if you get lost... but the need to do so is mostly obviated by the auto correct function.

    A few car navigators I spoke with indicated using the GPS odo more or less exclusively.
  5. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2005
    Oddometer:
    19,485
    Location:
    New Hampshah

    That is SO cool. :bow
  6. Stagehand

    Stagehand Imperfectionist

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Oddometer:
    27,374
    Location:
    Shawangunks
    Think I might be taking tomorrow off work, so I'll be looking to push it a little bit tomorrow too, and maybe if I dont feel so much like it, I wont :D

    Goodnight and rest up guys, going to be a long one for some, :freaky

    Been great following along.

    Cheers

    J
  7. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2005
    Oddometer:
    19,485
    Location:
    New Hampshah
    Brilliant. Thanks for the explanation!


    And Troy, you're right on, as usual.


    Night again, all.
  8. dox

    dox How much for the ape?

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,653
    Location:
    Athens, OH
    +1

    Turning in shortly as well. Another long day tomorrow.
  9. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,079
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    What a great post. Thanks!

    It was 6 years ago today for Elmer. I'm glad you mentioned his name, been thinking about him all day. :cry
  10. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Oddometer:
    5,277
    Location:
    Pacific NorthWet
    After just watching France 4 Stage 5, man I have to echo the praises for that broadcast and their earlier ones. All their reporters really get it and are excited. Their coverage is more gritty, less formal and friggin' amazing. The helicopter footage is spectacular and they show local color in a non-obnoxious way that gives you a decent feel for where they are . My French is coming back from my youth and I can get 80+% of what's being said. Some of the French dudes speak so fast or with local argot that I have a hard time tracking them, but it's fun to try.

    Those fesh fesh roads looked REALLY nasty today, still vehicles out there I hear.

    What does amaze me even more than the last few years is the sheer number of spectators EVERYWHERE!! With so many helicopters and millions of smartphones snapping pics, twittering, txting, and video from what seems like almost every turn, the rally doesn't seems as remote as the African ones were... but it's sure great for us F5'ers!

    I see the F5irehose is slowing down for the bivvy night and the talk of early F5 days. I remember those well and it's been fun to watch the F5 evolution into the incredible info and insight machine it is today.
  11. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,079
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    awww, thanks!

    I get a lot of messages from people thinking about Dakar, and to me, the thing that separates them into two groups is not skill or fitness or budget or etc. It's whether they love getting on their motorbike and riding it all day and exploring challenging terrain, or whether they want to have done Dakar.

    Lyndon (and Kevin) are in the former group. The folks who are bucket-listing (my verb for the second group) seem to me not only to be missing some of the joy of it, but also setting themselves up for failure.

    I was really lucky to get to go do it, it was exactly what I wanted to do and where I wanted to be. From my perspective, I appreciate the compliments, but they feel undeserved insofar as I was selfishly enjoying myself.

    Work ethic, HA! :lol3
  12. Bluebull2007

    Bluebull2007 Adventurer

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Oddometer:
    5,274
    Location:
    Oviedo, España
    +1 except on the French bit. Cyborg, youre going to have to help with some of it mate :deal

    Im also off to sleep now, nighty nite.
  13. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,079
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    OK, one last post, sorry for piecemealing them, not trying to climb the leaderboard here.

    The pics that I saw from today's stage seemed very familiar, not saying we were there, but it sure looked like what I remember. Assuming that's the case, there is some absolute dogshit riding coming along to compliment today's serving of it. What is coming is not necessarily particularly challenging technically, but it's also not technically pleasurable.

    For miles, the roads are covered in silt, sometimes shallow, sometimes deeper. The silt is totally without form, it just covers what is beneath and obscures it from view. Unlike sand, it doesn't seem to have any density, it just melts around your tire.

    In Baja, what lies beneath is typically ruts, but not here. In Chile, it is rocks, and you are riding along just waiting for the hidden rock to kick you. Imagine riding across a dirt parking lot that has baseball -> watermelon sized rocks strewn about, and you have a blindfold on. You wind up just bracing yourself for the next impact, unsure when it will come, and hoping that the interval from one unexpected hit to the next is long enough to get the bike collected. The reality of the hits is generally not as bad as the anticipation of them, if that makes sense.

    I started calling Chile "the land of hidden surprises", that isn't meant as a compliment.

    Lyndon and I share taste in trails pretty closely, so I feel a reasonable degree of confidence in predicting that his least favorite riding will be the next few days, and his most favorite will be in Argentina. Obviously, I have no perspective as they go further South into Chile, maybe that part will be strawberry shortcake land... but I doubt it!
  14. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Oddometer:
    5,277
    Location:
    Pacific NorthWet
    That's sure how it sounded to us Ned, when we heard your call-ins, and how similar Pyndon's call-in's are. Awesome attitude! Having a blast on probably worlds longest and fastest trailride!

    I would love to ride the Dakar route but NOT at Dakar pressure. :eek1
  15. Sparrowhawk

    Sparrowhawk Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2005
    Oddometer:
    2,463
    Location:
    Eastern Washington, USA
    I remember the statement and it rung true. Reading it again today makes me think of Robby G. I have no idea what his goals were in 2005 when he joined the VW team, probably higher than just finishing given his stage wins and overall placement. Regardless, every day Joe does come to mind watching him laugh and play with the local kids and the little remote control Hummer. The end result of getting caught up in the racing holds true in this case. Whether you're a hater or fan boy you have to admit next year will be less colorful without the rivalry he injects into rally.
  16. Misery Goat

    Misery Goat Positating the negative Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2003
    Oddometer:
    79,079
    Location:
    Paradise Valley, AZ
    It's unlikely I will get to compete in Dakar so that's what I went for.

    As much as I love the terrain I rode in N. Chile and N. Argentine I absolutely long for the day Dakar goes to Bolivia, there's no other place like it in S. America or the world afaic. Volcanoes, salt beds, sand, silt and at 13K+ feet! Some day..

    On another note this pic is a great expression of the Dakar experience for me. :freaky

    [​IMG]
  17. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,079
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    When I got oil from a spectator on Day 7, I chose the car with the most hot babes around it. And it was a debate, which one to choose! South America definitely has it all over Africa in that very important respect! :deal

    And that reminds me, I wanted to add a note about outside assistance.

    From a rulebook perspective, it is very hard to legislate the difference between the mustachioed man, ie a team member in a non-assistance zone, and a random stranger along the course.

    The top teams do have "ghost cars" full of parts and expertise, cars that are not entered in the race and are not legal. This is what the rules against assistance are trying to address, at least somewhat unsuccessfully I would add.

    Since the very first editions in Africa, stories of resourceful entrants doing whatever it took to continue are legendary. I do not believe the ASO wants to end this practice, it is part of the adventure of the event. But they need something on the books to deal with the mustachioed man... and how do you define him differently to a fisherman loaning a competitor some bailing wire? It's a bit different to a "fisherman" loaning a competitor the exact billet carbon fiber part that he needs...

    Along these same lines, I was also very concerned about carrying an iPhone, as there are numerous rules against having a gps, etc. I asked at scrutineering, and they said it was no problem at all, after all, it didn't have the route in it so it wouldn't do me any good.

    My experience was that the ASO are trying to enforce the intent of the rulebook, which is that competitors are on an individual adventure and challenge, not the letter. Which is worth keeping in mind when watching the coverage.
  18. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Oddometer:
    21,636
    Location:
    "Pearl of the sound" - f5ederation of scandwegia
    it's actually not that difficult Ned... by incorporating a couple of sentences into the rules governing outside assistance, the key words being; pre-arranged, by proir arrangement and/or pre-meditated... the intent being that any team who sets out to circumvent the outside servicing regulations, is guilty of a breach of the rules. Wether you use it or not is irrelevant.

    You are quite right... there IS a big difference between a rider plugging away in the rear third of the field, who fenegles a few liters of fuel from a moped riding fisherman, on the off chance that he stumbles across such an individual while he is lost for the umpteenh time on that particular leg/stage. Or for that matter a car driver who having tore the front radiator support panel out of the front of the car in a nasty sand gully, fixes it using bailing wire and a stick welder procured from a defunkt roadside workshed in some godforsaken desert shanty town.

    On the Oz Safari this is referred to as "living off the land"... and while it is not ENCOURAGED... it is not penalized either...

    BUT it IS significantly different to the mustached homre getting around the course (and seen repeatedly over several different stages) in a plain clothed Toyota landcruiser, coincidentally loaded smock full of KTM 690 Rallye parts, wheels and accessories.

    The charm of rally competitors finding "creative" ways to keep themselves in the race is as old as the DAKAR itself... and that should continue... but not at the expense of the rules developing into a free for all, of unregistered clandestine service vehicles all over the show.
  19. ararat

    ararat Dr. BMW and Mr KTM

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,988
    Location:
    East of Melbourne Arse-trail-yeah
    Talking about assistance, it seems that due to the change in this race there is a lack of will to assist cross teams. something like an over competitive enduro like behaviour borderline MX ride over someone... or am i just hallucinating over caffeine?
  20. slime

    slime Healing nicely

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2005
    Oddometer:
    428
    Location:
    Discount City@US 129
    Or, they could do like the SCCA does, if it's not IN the rule book it's illegal. They have no grey areas..