Dakar 2013 - Official Event Coverage - thank you ALL TeamF5, lurkers and posters!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by doyle, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. ric678

    ric678 Been here awhile

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    Seeing as the ASO stopped the car time at CP2 and with the conditions there Do you think they gave the damaged stuck drowned cars leeway on the no assistance stuff ??
  2. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    Woo Hoo for Johnny C! :clap 2nd place!
  3. too old

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    You do realise that using the term meunkey can be deemed quite insulting :lol3:lol3
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    drgunther Been here awhile

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  5. michalCCR

    michalCCR Been here awhile

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    Have you guys caught some Peterhansel's mention of doing Dakar in the truck in near future? Reportedly he told that to FR TV.
  6. Brodovitch

    Brodovitch Team ⌘R

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    Good points, well worth sharing. I had slightly similar experiences manning TCs in enduros, the only difference was we also had a few riders screaming at us, begging to write down their target time instead of the actual time when they fucked up their transfer timing. I am talking serious intimidation, but we never paid attention to their threats, exactly because we had also been told that when a racer is in the zone, you can't really have a meaningful conversation :lol3

    The real pros would turn up, hand you their carnet, hardly ever say a word, fold it up and take off. Except the Italians (Sala and Rinaldi come to mind). Lots of laughs, nicest pros I ever met
  7. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    That doesnt sound good at all... :huh

    Glad that Manuel sort out the problem... At least it was easier that he first thought! :freaky

    Boy oh boy... Those pics are intimidating :lurk
  8. Bluebull2007

    Bluebull2007 Adventurer

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    Brilliant video showing to some extent how difficult the fesh fesh is to deal with and also some loose rock climbs etc.

    Love the guy, he always does great Dakar videos.

    :lol3

    The english and the french - never the twain shall meet.

    Of course youre right, and Im hardly the professional interviewer anyway. I was so excited to be standing so close to him I found myself at a loss for words and all the questions I had were out the window to be honest. French? Last thing I was thinking of and anyway I only know english, spanish, afrikaans, and zulu.

    Bear in mind this was after mudgate too and he was under a lot of pressure with Coma.

    Interestingly I had a very good interview with Frans Verhoefen at the same time, and he was also focussed on the day but gave me the courtesy of a few minutes - totally different and very positive impression. When you are at the top I guess it pays not to be grumpy with the fans.
  9. yammie

    yammie Been here awhile

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    Ja jeflar!!! :rofl:rofl
  10. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    It may not even be that. Remember, having a mechanic (or anyone at all in the bivouac) at Dakar is a ~$25000 proposition, so their time is not taken lightly, and whoever paid the bill probably would take a dim view of "freebie" assistance. Your priority is the job you were brought for.

    There are a few mechanics unencumbered by a rider by now (Dave @ RMS) but usually, they are part of a team and the calculation was that there would be insufficient mechanics at the start, and as people dropped out the workload would balance with available hands.

    So, maybe nothing to do with Manual, just too many other priorities and he's not one of them.

    I started having numbness around the rest day, and had it for a good month after the race. This may have nothing to do with an injury, just with the repetitive stress of being on the bike for so many hours. You'll notice Pyn is using the same bar end weights as Cyril, he added those because of numbness in just a few hours. I don't think it would be right to read too much into Craig's comment.

    Also, people must be asking themselves "is it worth it, how can he continue, etc". The Dakar is not a reasonable thing to do. To get this far, he's had to put basically everything normal and considered a priority by most people in his life on hold for months and years. Shortsighted tho it may be, Dakar feels like the only thing that is important from his perspective, so there's not an easy way to weigh or balance things. If people were doing that, most of the field would drop out the first hard day, ridiculous crash, dangerous moment, etc. It simply is not reasonable to start with, so don't go looking for it to be reasonable later on.


    Speaking for myself, the key element of Dakar is internal focus. You absolutely must focus on the roadbook and not make any mistakes for hours at a time, and focus on the riding and not make any mistakes for hours at a time, and that focused mental space is incompatible with friendly chatting.

    Bluebull, I felt like I was less than friendly to you at times during the race, presumably my level of concentration was a fraction of Cyril's. Apologies, but you seemed to understand!

    I'll probably be castigated for this, but I did not like when fans would make their way through the barriers at DSS/ etc, there is just too much to focus on as a rider. You're about to do something very serious and intense and it's not nice to feel like an asshole for being unfriendly, nor to lose concentration by being friendly. It's a no win situation for a rider. At least, it was for me.
  11. XSpearsX

    XSpearsX Proud Dakar Wife

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    UPdates coming from the Freedom Rally Crew:


    Thursday 10th,
    Today I was surprised that a gas station we stopped at had Wi-Fi, so I took the opportunity to upload all the photos I had… hope you liked them. I did not have time to describe them, but I will at a later date. I have many more to upload that show the terrain we are traveling through. I also had the opportunity to see what other people had posted on Freedom Rally Racing and realized... you know more about the race than I do!! I have no idea who is first, second, or what went on during the race, only what I hear through the grapevine. So I hope the day to day of setting up camp and what we the support team go through is interesting enough. I don’t even get feedback on that!
    This morning the riders set out at the crack of dawn, while it was still dark outside. Scott, Jaime and Dave managed to get an extra hour of sleep as packing up camp was done by the time they woke up. Most times they are packing also, although this time much of it was done the night before as usual. Our camp today at Calama, Chile is sandy, dusty and windy, not fun at all! Dust is everywhere, it would be fruitless to try and clean anything! Spectators still manage to line the streets and highways, even in the most desolate places. When we stop for gas we are usually barraged by people wanting to take photographs with us by the camper. I have held many kids for their parents, girlfriends and wives for their family, standing in front of the RV! We also have a lot of stickers of every kind to hand out, which people love! The mini bike Mike has loaded onto the front of the RV always gets a lot of attention (usually laughs!) as we go through the crowds.
    Today we had a flat tire on the RV and had to change it in the middle of nowhere. We also got some assistance from another team (Friends of Luis’s of course!) who stopped to lend a hand. They had a few wrenches we didn’t and made life much easier than it would have otherwise been. The outside rubber tread had come off the inside left rear tire… Changing it in the heat, the wind and in a dust bowl was no fun.
    As I write this, Luis has not arrived yet (must be about 8:30pm… no my computer clock is not right…. The things we take for granted!!) the mechanics are eating now, and I’m waiting to give “King Luis” a hand when he gets here. Any minute now! I guess everyone had a good ride today… Marco passed Mateo today, which got a nice big chuckle from Liliana. I heard there is Wi-Fi at the “Host Country Tent” so I may be able to post this AND send emails! Wish me luck!
    Sunday 13th,
    Today is a day of “rest” in Tucuman. This means simply we all get to sleep in. That’s it. Work goes on. When the bikes are ready, then the trucks get some attention. Mateo’s bike will get a new motor today, the other two are OK, although we are all worried about Luis’s. If something happens to his engine, we don’t have a spare. This has been a race with miracles being performed for him and by him, so stay tuned for more! Speaking of the trucks, let me elaborate. The RV has had two blown tires now and yesterday we were stranded by the side of the road about 50 km out of Salta, with no power. We had enough to reverse back onto the side of the road, but not to go forward. We were rescued by a bunch of very friendly and boisterous Dutchmen, who towed us in their Dakar support truck for 155km into Tucuman! That was quite the ride, as we were doing about 77 mph and still managed to pass another truck with the RV in tow. Mikes comment: “Well, that’s a first!”. Jaime fixed the problem when we got into camp. A loose magnet in the carburetor.
    The camp today is inside a horse race track in Tucuman. Mike, Jenny, Mateo, Marcos , Liliana and Luis all got some much needed rest in a Tucuman hotel . Onwards we go now, to Cordoba tomorrow! More then!

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/FreedomRallyRacing
  12. neduro

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    The components are Entry of truck, share of truck expenses, Entry of Mechanic, travel for Mechanic, and space on truck.

    Typically, ~$25-30k USD is a reasonable ballpark for a person at Dakar.

    It can be done cheaper depending on the truck situation, but $18k is barely entry fees alone.

    ~$15k is the low end of the spectrum for a shared mechanic and some cargo space.
  13. theboxers

    theboxers Getting Out There

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    The people of both countries get on pretty well IME. It's the governments, governing bodies and establishment that can't stand each other. :lol3
  14. svizzerams

    svizzerams Rx Rangerette

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    So I wasn't the only one to notice that :wink::rofl
  15. XSpearsX

    XSpearsX Proud Dakar Wife

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    Found a breakdown of support cost with Freedom. Starts at $18,500 and goes up from there. I know there is no way they make money on this. As they don't just send "a mechanic". They have an entire crew there to help with various aspects. Entry fee's alone are not covered by the support cost. I know Scott "personally" makes not a dime for the Dakar. It's all a freebie. He works for about 3 months building the bikes AFTER he gets off work. 7 days a week. For those months I never see him, period. 10 minutes max each day. He's home long after midnight to shower, sleep and go back to work. Then off to the Dakar, he receives his normal paycheck, nothing more. All for the love of the Dakar. :D He's living his dream!!!!

    Anyway, here's the breakdown of support cost:

    http://www.freedomcyclesinc.com/miscpage_005.asp
  16. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I can understand completely about trying to focus on your work and resisting fan/paddock people's imposition. If you have limited time and must perform a series of duties, no competitor wants to chat. I think that is fairly universal in motorsports. There are times to chat but the heat of battle in the paddock is not one of them.
  17. zenjen

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    Smart man. - To me, the people that truly hate on Cyril for things like a headband or a short interview clip are the same brand of people that hated on Marco Simoncelli for his hair.
  18. Brodovitch

    Brodovitch Team ⌘R

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    Rest day they said. :lol3

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    Giniel's crew taking care of the Toyota
  19. Resist

    Resist Been here awhile

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    From Geoff Olholm on Facebook:

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    Can someone explain to me how they righted it?! I'm guessing they couldn't just manually push it back over. Nobody helped them, they righted it themselves!
  20. escuchamente

    escuchamente Let's Ride

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    Those daily re-caps were awesome. Maybe for next year we can schedule 4 or 5 people to divide up the daily info dump into sections and be responsible for posting the meatiest bits of info into the cliff notes. I'll volunteer myself for it, for 2014.

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