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Discussion in 'Racing' started by doyle, Jan 1, 2013.
Thank you F5irehose and Baldy. What a ride! Can hardly wait for 2014
What I keep noticing is the different builts of the YZ (not WR) that were in the race as 'supposed' factory bikes. I guess Yamaha still hasnt got a full works entry or Olivier Pain is not part of it. Once Yamaha deceides on a platform they can develop it and move forward.
The way I look at it now is that Yamaha just throws a few test bikes and some money at the riders and the 'factory' effort ends there...
Is it up to the rider to choose the bike and built or up to the rider?
Or is David Casteu the one that isn't on a factory bike (JVO Kit vs Alu tanks on the Factory)?
Heinz Kingadner, via FB:
"it was clear that it will be difficult for Cyril at the beginning of the rally without Marc as a reference, especially in the sections where the navigation was difficult." At the end, but then, it was the experience of the team, with the bike and the riders who have made it through. The top 5 on the KTM, which is really very impressive, but the highlight for me was Kurt Caselli. It came only a few days before Christmas to the team and then showed an outstanding performance at his first Dakar."
Kini telling it like we saw it
Few more shots from J. Jindra... He travelled with the Dakar on last year´s racing bike of Jan Vesely (without numbers of coarse). Bike allowed him to easy reach places, where he could take nice photos from the race.
Guess that just answered the question as to who the new K(id on the block)TM rallye (alien grooming program) protogé is for 2013 onwards then...?
Now, I wonder if the other manufacturers can get some other "names" to cross over from WEC/GNCC/WORCS type competition into rallye... names like Knighter, Taddy, Josh Strang... maybe even some of the "soon to be expiry date" WEC stars...?
I always thought Shane Watt's would have had the gumbo and trailsmarts to do rally... I dunno how he felt about the navigation side of things though... but ride any bike over anything... that he can surely do without drama.
Formula 450cc may well just transform the Dakar and FIM Cross Country Rally into the desert version of WRC/F1 in the near future... Plenty of brands out there yet who haven't committed.
How many new/used hand me down/swap factory "original" engines did you say I can use to finish on again...?
The golden age of the four rider + factory squad could be on the way back in...?
I think that is exactly it... While the Dakar is huge to us, and in 'off road' circles, Yamaha sell tens of thousands of street/sports bikes the world over - it's a far larger market, and Moto GP is a whole season, with massive TV and media coverage in every corner of the world, not just one race?
Of course the budget for Dakar would be tiny compared to fielding a factory and satellite Moto GP team/s, but it is the concentration of engineers and resources, and not least the target of advertising and marketing that is going to dictate their current policy...
Off road bikes are not a huge priority for any of the Japanese brands (compared to street orientated machines)... and even with the huge growth in the 'Adventure' market in recent years, I think this Dakar more than any other has shown that the current generation of Dakar/rally bike is a lightweight precision racing machine, not ideally suited to a everyday 'Adventure' role?
I think similarly to the above, BMW know their machines (both cars and bikes) are not 'competitive' in the same way - they are focused luxury brands, and in the case of the motorcycles, querky designs - and are sold to general mass market customers, not specialist niches?
BMW is a multi billion dollar company, and by extending their racing arm to associated brands, it minimises and disassociates any 'bad press' should those teams not do particularly well, in what is a very competitive but still niche field... noone in Munich wants to see a headline "BMW fail in.... [whatever]" in the press?
The flip side of this of course is also a return on their [acquisition] investments - should those sub-brands do well in their respective fields, then it elevates them in the eyes of the public (through subsequent marketing), and increases their appeal in what is a small and fiercely contested niche market in comparison... win win!
I think that is a good point - and essentially the reverse of what Honda did this past season...
By letting 'satellite' teams test the various options (and make any improvements), it minimises both the financial and [bad] publicity risk to developing their own 'factory' bike directly in the public eye?
Yamaha's brand image remains largely intact (certainly from a corporate point of view), while they are able to offer engineering support to the various teams, to help development.
Whether we will ultimately see them decide on a platform and bring all the riders/engineers 'in-house' so to speak, we can only hope so? - I believe a full factory effort by Yamaha would really shake things up for both Honda and KTM!
Hey, anyone knows when Dakar is up on Eurosport today?
50 more weeks.....
Better go riding then!
Anyone need me I´ll be over in thumpers.
Hey! Where'd everybody go? :huh
All the trackers are down! :eek1
Has anyone contacted misha?
Even the Dakar site is down!
I wonder if Louis made it in last night?
(I guess old habits die hard...)
Many many thanks to all the people who made it possible for all of us to follow this great event and to be able to listen to all these interviews It has been a great pleasure to read all of you guys here.
Many thanks once again, this Dakar/Snooker event was one of the best ever
Is that a current model KTM and if so who makes that rear tank?
JVO made the kit for Luis if memory serves my right. Current KTM 125/150
I see a Harley xr1200 in the background
Send help now.
22-1 22:40 Stage 15
...not a single listing for snooker
In the second last day of Eurosport coverage they aired a 'home video' of De Villiers and Von Zitzewitz and their breakfast was featured. Von Zitzewitz had a bowl of banana and granola but De Villiers had a bowl of a brown paste. Anyone know what that brown paste was?
Africa Eco Race 2013 ADV thread
Not in any way comparable to the epicness of the SA Dakar, but at least they had live tracking (like the rally Maroc a while back), it was fun to spectate (I had a couple of friends in the race which made it even more fun). Some pretty cool pics as well.
FIM Cross Country World Championship Schedule
Looks like we'll have to wait till April and the ADDC. Bummer
Now, looky here - someone else that's been wondering about the exact same thing I have! =)