Dakar 2014 - On 4 wheels (autos & SXS)

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  1. Datan556

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    Has anybody read up on the Fords new entry to this years Dakar. Just wondering on other peoples thought seeing its got a mustang 5.0 liter in it. Cant wait to see that run in the Attacama!
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    The Durango

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  4. troy safari carpente

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    Wow... :huh A Durango you say? Yeah, well maybe the design cues for the grille and headlights and (if you really stretch the imagination) the body lines... kinda sorta.. :huh

    This thing, along with RG's (yet to be seen completely in the flesh) HST Gordini, and the Baldwin/Jefferies EVR Chevy's (none of which are 4WD) are the writing on the wall for the near future and probably mean the end (design/regulation wise) of the 4WD T1 spec FIA factory cars like the MINI, the Toyota's and the new comer FORD Ranger.

    A couple of weeks ago, I made a misinformed comment (about the presumed spec of RG's much awaited HST Dakar weapon) - due largely to the fact it's been a year (or more) since I cast an eye over the FIA T1 eligibility regulations.

    As per the quote from Darren Skilton (over in the RG thread) - there have been some wholesale alterations on behalf of the FIA; that no longer require the chassis/body (unibody) of a vehicle in T1 to respect a standard homologated unit.

    The unibody requirement (previously) limited a number of things a factory/manufacturer could optimise...given that the chassis was both expensive and complicated to replicate in carbon fibre (requires the use of large autoclave ovens, F1 type technology and dollars).

    But now that this requirement is no longer applicable, and with the unlimited wheel travel offered to 2WD / FIA T1 category vehicles... it seems that the pendulum maybe swings over to the US style "Trophy Truck" technology that some of these vehicles exhibit.

    My guess is the Hummer was the thin edge of the wedge. :huh Whenever it was running in the OPEN/SCORE class, the engine restrictor and weight limit formula kept it in check (as compared to the VW Tuareg and Mistu EVOs/Lancers)... but in recent years the Hummer has shown outright speed superiority (at least periodically) on almost all terrain, with the exception of the WRC style formed roads.

    If the the X-Raid MINI's represent the last of the true factory T1/SUV Body replica/diesel powered FIA cars, and the Imperial/Overdrive Toyota's the last V8 petrol powered T1/Body replica 4WD pick ups...

    Then these US-style 2WD super offroaders - like those the three above mentioned US teams will bring to the dakar this year; may represent the future. Couple with that things like the bugglies, the ex-RG Hummers (although they won't be there in 2014) and the SMG cars (like Sainz will run in 2014, and Chicherit showed paced in 2013 with)... then the 2WD tide looks to be catching up on the 4WD's... who are still limited by the production based homologated engine, and limited wheel travel regulations.

    The Euros (read FIA) may just have let their guard down this time? By dropping a few key sentences in the rulebook, the pendulum has swung, and now... their glass jaw may just well be exposed? :eek1

    This year the auto scrutineering will be fun...:evil :lurk
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  5. Uller

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    New EVR's Chevrolet protos. We're ready for Dakar....

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    I'm really excited to see what Ballistic BJ Baldwin does in this years Dakar. I think his back to back Baja 1000 wins (as an Ironman) and the fact that he finished this years 1000 with no tire punctures are signs that he stands a very good chance of running at the front. Plus, with Quinn Cody as a Navigator it makes this ride a good one to cheer for. :deal

    From Quinn's twitter page:
    "Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little nervous about riding shotgun with @bjbaldwin for 5500mi. There are not too many guys I would hand over control to! I was so looking forward to sharing this experience with KC. #dakar #navagator #oshit! #USA #318"

    "If you look close you can see me shitting myself! Seriously, after spending some time in the car with @bjbaldwin I am completely comfortable and looking forward to kicking ass at #dakar2014 @toyotires #teamusa"
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  6. Uller

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    Original article is here: http://www.elmartilloracing.com/blogs/successful-testing-of-the-el-martillo-racings-dodge-durango/

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    Successful testing of the El Martillo Racing’s Dodge Durango
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    On December 2nd, Matt Campbell and El Martillo Racing received the Dodge Durango which they will be entering into the 2014 edition of the Dakar Rally. The team will represent Canada, Mexico and the USA. With Luis “Fito” Ramirez (2nd driver) and Nicolas Ambriz (Navigator) and other team members standing by, the car was delivered by Mike Julson of Jimco Racing Inc. All were impressed by the quality of workmanship and technology.

    The Durango is built from the ground up in San Diego for this the 6th South American running of the Dakar. It represents a collaboration of the best chassis builder, tested components and carbon fiber technology.

    On the morning of December 3rd the El Martillo Team took the new Durango to Plaster City, California for initial testing. Representatives from the shock, electronic/electrical and engine companies came with the team to fine tune the car and at 10:00 AM the car started and the test began. Matt Campbell took the first test run and was exceptionally pleased with the Durango. The suspension worked extremely well and the car was balanced and powerful.

    The day was spent fine tuning the Durango and ensuring the use and adjustment of all the electronic components, setting speed limiters, distance and heading components and the functioning of the ECU. After the electronics, the team, with the help of the factory shock representative, set the suspension for the local conditions. As the Durango has a large fuel capacity, care was taken to assess the changing weight conditions through a day’s race. The staff of Jimco Racing was on hand to lend their expertise to the days’ activities.

    The second day of testing was held in the Imperial Dunes near Glamis, California, with the full complement of technicians to assess and adjust the Durango. A successful session was held in the large sand dunes where the car proved its ability to climb the large dunes and maneuver in the sand. These dunes replicate the conditions we will find on the Dakar 2014 route so it was important to complete testing and adjust the car to those conditions.

    The Durango was then returned to Jimco Racing for final adjustments and pre-race prep. There the car will go through final preparation and testing. On December 13 through 15th the Durango will be on display at Carl Burger Dodge in La Mesa California.

    Moro photos here: https://www.facebook.com/martillo2dakar/photos_albums

    El Martillo Racing, Dodge Durango Tech aspects:

    1. Chrome Moly Chassis by Jimco, wheelbase 128, width 93
    2. Carbon Fiber and Kevlar Body, custom CAD design
    3. Engine, 7.6 liter, 463 cu. inch, RHS Block by Redline Motors
    4. Stainless Steel headers and exhaust
    5. 140 gallons fuel, range 550 miles
    6. Intake restrictor 37.2 mm or 1.46 inches, by comparison normal intake is 90 to 120 mm.
    7. Motec ignition
    8. Motec PDM
    9. Wiring by Wirefab
    10. PCI Intercom, 3 station
    11. HID Lights
    12. Albins, 6 speed sequential transmission
    13. Air Conditioned
    14. Navigation, 2 GPS’s, 2 Terra Trip distance calculators
    15. Car built and tagged to SCORE standards and FIA safety Equipment
    16. Sentinel communication system and proximity alarm
    17. BFG, KR2 Off-Road tires. 37” x 12.5” R17
    18. Method 17” x 7.5” Bead Lock Wheels
    19. Integral AGM hydraulic jacking system
    20. Front Hubs, Pro Am
    21. Rear Hubs, Fortin
    22. Brakes, Alcon 13” Disk,
    23. Rear Suspension, trailing arm
    a. Fox, remote/piggy back reservoir 4 by-pass shocks 180 psi
    b. Fox, dual rate, remote reservoir, coil over shocks 180 psi
    c. Sway bars
    24. Front Suspension, A-Arm
    a. Fox, remote/piggy back reservoir 5 by-pass shocks 180 psi
    b. Fox, dual rate, remote reservoir, coil over shocks 180 psi
    c. Sway bars
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    7.6 litres....? :huh

    In the 2014 ASO/FIA Dakar regs it states that 2WD's in either the T3P (US/SCORE elible) OP.1 category must conform to the T1 regulation for engine capacity/air restrictor diameter; :deal
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    Wonder what horses they get with the restrictor... considering the norm (in US racing circles) would be approximately three times the diameter ? :ear
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  8. Beez

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    But could the modern "Mini" be any further removed from the classic (real) mini.
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  10. 5 speed

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    TROY, your comments:

    'Then these US-style 2WD super offroaders - like those the three above mentioned US teams will bring to the dakar this year; may represent the future. Couple with that things like the bugglies, the ex-RG Hummers (although they won't be there in 2014) and the SMG cars (like Sainz will run in 2014, and Chicherit showed paced in 2013 with)... then the 2WD tide looks to be catching up on the 4WD's... who are still limited by the production based homologated engine, and limited wheel travel regulations.'

    These are right on. If you recall one of the interviews with RG he said he regretted letting Al Attyiah drive the Hummer because it gave him the idea and preview of the next format, powerful, low and smaller overall dimensions than the Hummer. He showed up with the bugly (in very ugly brown) Apparently that is all playing out.......
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    Yep, wonder where the rest of the plumbing goes, maybe threaded into the manifold instead of dumping into the inlet. Better not let Frenchy see that :lol3

    Oh, thats right, that will only happen if he gets passed and sand thrown in his face.:flip:asshat
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  12. 5 speed

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    So, Robby sold the Hummer? Hmn, that thing was fast and reliable; hope this doesn't become a problem for him. I know he is counting on the new car but I am concerned about the motor in the front, especially with 2WD.

    We shall see....
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    Did buying the Hummer come with permission to jump the starters podium?



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    Inmate SafariBerg (Gary Connell) and Annie Steel have a highlight video from Merzouga Rally. They are competing in the 2014 Dakar and I thought this would be a good place to post it.

    Published on Dec 10, 2013
    Short overview of October 2013 Merzouga Rally for SSV #205 Garry Connell driver (Australia) and Annie Seel navigator (Sweden), using a 2013 Polaris RZR XP900 Dakar from the French team Xtreme Plus...............1st in SSV Rally class and 4th overall SSV from 16 SSV starters.

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    and then, up pops this article; :deal

    http://www.v8project.com.ar/index.php?s=deporte

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    Information that came to us from Europe indicate that it is almost a given that Peugeot will return to Dakar in 2015, with 208 buggy type by Sebastien Loeb and Stephane Peterhansel ... ! . As soon as he got on the real soundboard is twitter (@ v8delgado ) , appeared this sketch , although not confirmed , much more about the time of definition . Details.

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    After the success of Pikes Peak, Silhouette 208, also serve for a new assault on the Dakar 2015 Peugeot?

    After leaving the World Endurance Championship , Peugeot were not many roads you travel at a sporting level , a subject that has always been among the priorities of the French brand.

    The F1, where he learned to venture into the 90s, he proposed expenditures as important as those contain tried withdrawing from the WEC.

    Nor seduced him the idea to engage in a fratricidal struggle with Citroen in the World Rally and much less face in the WTCC , where the latter also participate in 2014
    To do something in different versions of GT , the brand did not have a line silhouette , as the top brand model , the RCZ was not up to the circumstances in which specialties abound , from Aston Martin Vantage up
    Ferrari 458 and Porsche 911 RSR , past Audi R8 , Mercedes SLS GT , Corvette , McLaren MP4- 12C , etc .


    I have heard mumblings that Citröen (and now Pugeot) have considered coming back to Dakar... the name Loeb has been connected to these (but he has been rumored of late to be making an entrance into everything from F1 speedboats to the NASA space program... is there anything this guy can't do? :lol3:rofl).

    The recent technical "massaging" of the FIA T1 tech regs, certainly make it seem like a 2WD "super offroader" platform, with a silhouette of a (somewhat) production model, may well be of interest to several manufacturers...? as opposed to the technical complexity and expense of developing homologation based T1 4WD's like the current MINI, the V8 TOYOTA Hilux and VW touregs of the recent past.

    The original patron -JL Schlesser and heir apparent RG... pioneers of the "new age" 2WD DAKAR Auto category. "Viva la V8... death to the sadev 4WD's" ? :lol3 Who'd a thunk it? :huh

    more to the point. will it happen? :lurk
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    So will it be pug or a citroen???
    They just cant decide over there.
    Or maybe we will see both.

    The dev cost of the buggies certainly makes it a more attractive category for manufacturers however I still am not convinced that these are the cars for the wrc style stages and I also think if the larger wheel and tire diameters were granted to the all wheel drives along with adjustable tire pressures we would not even be talking about the buggies.
    Engine wise the toyotas sound pretty decent too.
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