Dakar 2018

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  1. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Encouragement award recipient. tEAM iDIOT.

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    I know they have a longer output shaft on the first 450rr.:D

    Errr, I suppose I should add that they were a SXF450 based engine with a different carb and bigger stator output as well...
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  2. WILL_S

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  3. motoxfox

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    I dips me lid to you tHEtREV...my miss reading of the whole 'FuelGate' furor.
    I can assure you It sure is a tough life (I live)...when your a conspiracy theorist!
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    Oh you must really love Dakar then... There are some pretty wild conspiracy theories going around about it.:lol3

    I think a lot of people have miss read the whole fuel gate thing.
  5. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    I can't find anything in the regs this year preventing it again unless it falls under outside assistance.

    The incident in itself was stupid but not as fucking stupid as hrc's moral victory claim :bash
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  6. Checkmate3

    Checkmate3 Been here awhile

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    Yeah, loved that 'moral victory' claim. Sort of unsubstantiated garbage that you'd expect from a dumb, ego-driven, twitter obsessed, megalomaniac person in charge of the world's biggest military.


    iddy
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  7. motoxfox

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    "What differences are there between the KTM 450 rally engine and the KTM 450 exc or sx-f engine?"

    The KTM this year is a new generation model. And whilst I have not seen any 'naked' chassis pics I'd be surprised if its not using the same 'new gen' DOHC motor that the KTM MX Factory teams introduced in '17 on both sides of the Atlantic. Think similar to the 250/350 motor with the 2 half moon rubber bungs on the cam chain side of the motor. Also HRC have moved to this engine layout with their new factory 450 motor and away from the 'Unicam' design.
    The main single difference is the gearing and extra charging coils etc. On a stage 2 yrs back it was a super quick day and Kato's were limited (not speed, but maybe by team direction) to 155-158km/h as their prep had shown the tyres were suspect, where as the Hondas pulled 166 or there-abouts on that day.

    Your correct the Radiator is bigger and a single unit - no downtube/dble cradle in the frame layout - likely running twin fans, maybe twin twin fans(?). Speculation on my part there.
    What I do know is my Exc-f will boil from cold with about 6mins of fast Idling when stationery. So the cooling system is amazing as long as they're moving.
    So in the sand sections?

    " I'm guessing more oil, bigger oil filter" ... I'd be surprised if they are not running an Oil Cooler.

    " higher revving to get more HP, cams?" I'd say more torque. Torque is far more important than HP. Linear power delivery of the bottom would be my guess plus a healthy dose of over rev there if and when required.

    "and last thousands of race km's." Someone will know the rules better than me, and I don't know if scrutineering 'tags' or 'marks' any components like crankcases etc, but as long as you can make it thru the stage, and the factory techs will likely replace do at least one top end tear down during the course of the rally. I would think.
    Interestingly in TP's first Dakar (on a production customer bike) the tech felt compelled to swap out his clutch towards the end of the event just to be safe,he had a podium coming his way... whilst Coma on the factory special was getting his clutch replaced daily. That was one of the first things spotted about TP was how easy he was on the bike.

    Interestingly tonights stage 7 is the first of the 2 separate marathon stages. Meaning each rider has no help overnight at the bivouac.They do their own bike maintenance, sleep in a tent ( no motorhome no waterbed! ). At least the tent is put up for them - I think.
    Good luck to TP, Rocket Rod and Scooter!
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  8. Checkmate3

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    Currently 0800 La Paz....

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    Whoops, wrong thread!

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  10. Mouse

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    Top end is fair game, splitting the bottom same same penalty as an engine swap.
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  11. motoxfox

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    Re: FuelGate... Ah so that's why Mr KTM was pressured into withdrawing his protest...but wouldn't till his riders were over an hr in front.
    My apols for tralling over last year...but I kinda lost interest ( and was shattered ) early on.
    And obv didn't pick up on any of this.
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    Thanks for the replies to the motor question, be good to know what exactly gets changed and how often. Sounds like the engines need a fair bit of maintenance during the race, whether they need it or not. I'm sure there must be many privateers that only do basic oil changes etc and their bikes last the race also.
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  14. Mouse

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    iirc the fan photos dropped hrc right in it. Might've been svitko who joined in too.
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    Does WP assistance penalise his malle spot ?
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    Van Beveren still fighting hard making time

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  17. motoxfox

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    Scotty seems to have not made it to waypoint 7. not listed as a finisher of the days stage
    BUT not listed on the dreaded w/drawal list.
    I'd suspect its just a signal issue etc.
    Keep keeping on Scotty !


    You there Feral ....get that trigger finger out !
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  19. motoxfox

    motoxfox Been here awhile

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    Your kidding ....just spec? or confirmed?
    One blue one red toogo

    BamBAM gave up a cple mintes of time between w/p5 & 6......?

    This is a marothon stage (7&8) so no outside assistance / self prep of your bike is in place tonight their time.

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    14 Michael Metge - Hon
  20. motoxfox

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    Scotty just made it thru wp7 prob 45-50min away from ASS
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