Dakar Hacked

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by stromsurfer, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. stromsurfer

    stromsurfer Stromsurfer

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    May I make a suggestion? Take that pic of the happy face meal, this one--

    :D:D
    Sidecars, you have to hate them till you love them" and that's kinda the was its been going.DB

    Yes that seems about how it goes. Wish I had a choice but its either a sidecar, or no riding at all. I choose to keep riding and WILL learn to like it.:norton

    Thank you. For a guy who can barely tie his shoes, open a box of cereal, walk or get up after falling, eat or breathe.....I think I did pretty well.:wink:
    Thanks for the support and positive comments.
    MC
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  2. stromsurfer

    stromsurfer Stromsurfer

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    Nice ride today and actually got up to 55mph for a few miles. Steering is not too hard although taking off from stop and turning left takes lots of effort. Clutch hand doesn't work all that well so trying to perform a coordinated release of the lever but hold on to help with the push from the right hand/arm is quite difficult for me. In truth....it takes a lot of effort (braking, shifting, accelerating, holding on)mostly due to physical challenges and not because of the machine itself. However, these things take some finesse and skill to drive. And I thought you just bolt on the dam thing and drive off into ADV Land.:D. More adjustments to be made, more skills to be learned, more technique to discover. Anyway, a few more pictures and at some point ill get my questions in order and will be seeking advise......like what options beside leading links are there to help with steering and stability(going slow and removing one hand from handlebar or hitting a bump sends it into a headshake)
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  3. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

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    I would try a VW steering damper from the early 70's before spending big money on links or triple trees.
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  4. Eddieb

    Eddieb www.AdventureRidingNZ.co.nz

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    Sorry for the hijack OP

    Do you have pics or a build thread? I'm thinking of doing a hack for my DR and would be interested to see what you did.
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  5. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Now that I see your cane strapped to the back let me ad the old saw "your a game rooster"''
    When I was having allot of trouble learning to ride the unimproved steering 83 gl1100/Ural I thought about adding another hand position to the left side, as it was a bear to steer. I thought about a mountain bike add on one could switch too for a different hold. Bar ends http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_548793_-1___

    The trouble with the dampner it will calm the headshake but add steering effort. one of the motorcycle versions may damp less but steer easier:http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/14/71/982/33243/ITEM/Shindy-Products-Universal-Steering-Stabilizers.aspx
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  6. TouringDave

    TouringDave Tri Moto Veritas

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    Stromsurfer, I sympathise with the pic above, (heavy bastards aren't they! :D)

    That's how I ended up making this:
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    P.s. love the look of the Dakar outfit :clap
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  7. Bucho

    Bucho Long timer

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    Stromsurfer, Ive enjoyed reading your story. Im also working on sorting out the handling of my new rig. Sorry for the thread jack.


    Home built and not that pretty. But for a few hundred bucks Im pretty happy with it.
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    pm or email me, I dont have a build thread but I think I have a few pics of the frame and stuff somewhere
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  8. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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  9. stromsurfer

    stromsurfer Stromsurfer

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    That's how I ended up making this:
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    Loved my V, really hated to sell it, and had considered hacking it but sold it last year for the Dakar(lighter) which allowed me to stay on two wheels one last season. Awesome looking rig you have there
    P.s. love the look of the Dakar outfit :clap[/QUOTE]

    The trouble with the dampner it will calm the headshake but add steering effort. one of the motorcycle versions may damp less but steer easier:http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...abilizers.aspx

    The steering itself is not too bad but even after riding it the last week or so the headshake is a concern. Any kind of bumps at certain speed, or taking one hand off, or when cornering, the shake is bad enough to make me feel that at some point a loss of control is a very likely scenario. My hands are not too strong and it's actually difficult to hang on to the grips. It is way better then during my first rides but, its still bad enough that I really don't feel safe or that it is something that I would get used to.
    I will try over tightening the steering head bearings tomorrow. The spoke are tight, wheels are balance, correct air pressure and wheel bearings seem good. I lowered the forks in the tree 3/4 but the back is stock links/height.
    Adjusted today and after riding here are specs.
    Toe-in 5/8
    Lean out 3/4
    Track 51
    Level side to side and front to back when I am in the saddle.
    Trail 7 3/8.......Is that enough?

    I think I will try the VW Damper. If it turns out too hard I can return it to auto parts store and try one specific for bikes. Is it ok to connect the damper to the lower fork then down and back to the middle of the front strut(one supplied by DMC that goes from front upper frame mount down to car)? I'd like to connect the damper with the p-clamp and fork clamp shown below.
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    I have run this by Jay also but The Collectives thoughts and advice are very much appreciated.
    Thanks for the positive comments and support.
    MC
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  10. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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  11. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    If Jay likes your figures and you have been able to ride it, maybe the steering damper is the answer.Your a determined man.DB
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  12. stromsurfer

    stromsurfer Stromsurfer

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    My wife calls it something different.....Stubbornness!:baldy
    Quite happy to just be able to get on it, and pleased that it light enough for me to move/turn it around after pulling inside my shop.

    At Jays suggestion, I again checked steering head bearing tightness and found that it needed a couple more turns to really snug it up. Went for ride.....huge difference. There was no tendency to shake a speed(35-55), and very little when hitting bumps at slower speeds(15-35). I am much happier and with just a bit more tweaking:-) :-)......I may just leave it alone, ride some and then see about the damper(low cost experiment). At least now I feel like I could actually go somewhere on it. :clap
    Today's test ride was quite enjoyable. Felt quite nice cruising, and in the bumpy gravel road, the bike was pretty solid.
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  13. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Hurray making headway is always rewarding, and actually if you have some physical issues a light rig will serve you better in the long run. I've had some of those determined obsessive issues myself and were far more interesting than people who take no for an answer easily.DB
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  14. stromsurfer

    stromsurfer Stromsurfer

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    I can no longer push the Dakar rig around so it's up for sale. Bought a Ural with reverse and it seems to be working out for me.:D Not sure if the linky will work but it's over in the flea market if anyone is interested.

    MC

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=919956
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  15. CCjon

    CCjon HighHorse Rider

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    Sent you a PM with questions.
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