Dark Side Video Cam

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by TheReaper!, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. TheReaper!

    TheReaper! Been here awhile

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  2. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    There are lots more dark side 'tire cam' videos on YouTube that have more aggressive riding. One from long ago was a dark sided Valkyrie, leaned over at high speed repeatedly. You could see that contact patch of the car tire seems to be greater than regular moto tire.
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  3. klaviator

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    This topic has been extensively discussed in other parts of ADV. Has anyone seen a scooter running a car tire?
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  4. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    I have had a car tire on the back wheel of my Burgman 650 for over 14k mi. before selling it. Best money saving mod ever.

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    Here's the Valkyrie video:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QwSSXHanpv0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Comparison video of moto tire on Valkyrie:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hIfrFch-VqE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PZ_d5IIdRZI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  5. klaviator

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    I doubt I'll ever try it either but I can see why people do it since they do last a LOT longer than MC/Scooter tires.
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    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Yes, you've stated your opinion.
    Unless you have practical experience you can share, move on.
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  7. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    So figure out another way. :lol3

    From your previous posts, seems that you don't even want to know about fire.

    Just move on, nothing for you here.
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  8. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    You're the one that said "never", so why bother saying more?

    Open forum needs an open mind, your mind is closed.
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  9. klaviator

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    I have no actual experience with car tires on bikes but here's my 2 cents. I have no doubt that running a car tire will have some adverse affect on handling. How much I don't know. I'm sure there is some risk involved but then there is some risk involved in a lot of things, like not riding ATGATT, exceeding the speed limit, or even riding instead of driving that multiple airbag equipped minivan. Everyone needs to decide which risks they are willing to take. The reason I am unlikely to put car tires on a bike is because running hard through the curves is one of the things I really enjoy. How the bike "feels" is important to me and I suspect that the square profile of the car tire will upset that feel and make the bike less neutral.

    If someone ever offers to let me ride their car tire equipped bike, I'll, probably take them up on it just to see what it's like.
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  10. MODNROD

    MODNROD Decisions, decisions

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    Mr Klaviator, if you're ever over this part of the world for a visit, then feel free to look me up, you can ride my car-tyre-equipped X8 250ie.

    Not to sway anybody one way or the other, but here goes........

    1. Handling: It needs a little bit more steering input on the bars to stay down, the sqr tyre has a very slight tendency to keep the bike upright.
    2. Braking:improved.
    3. Dynamics: The bike has less tendency to "tramtrack", and has more straight-line directional stability.
    4. Lean angle: I have scraped both the centre-stand on one side and the stock muffler on the other while chasing friends on more suitable equipment. :deal

    Most importantly to me, I have now done 5500km on the tyre in 6 months, and it looks like new. Normally in my conditions (high heat in summer, lots of gravel, constant highway with abrasive surfacing), that means I'd be fitting my 3rd tyre by now........at the same price as my 145/70R12 Hankook car tyre.

    Finally. It's not really that big a deal gentlemen, I rekn just ride the things, argue physics with college boys for a giggle if you must, but just ride. :freaky
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  11. klaviator

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    Thanks for the offer although I doubt I'll be able to take you up on it. I have visited your country in the past but that was when my rich Uncle Sam was paying me to travel around the world.

    It's good to see some one else riding their scooter like it's a sportbike:p3rry

    And I agree with you. It's not that big of a deal. It's not like anyone is being forced to put car tires on their bike.

    PS. I have a MOTORCYCLE tire on the back of my Scooter. What does that make me?:dunno

    Ride more and argue less

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  12. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    burgmanusa.com :deal
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  13. andoulli

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    Back to the OP video. That car tire is on a Softail, not exactly the best handling motorcycle ever made. Might just be the perfect bike for a car tire. Uh, or maybe not? Anyway I have been wondering if trailer tires might be better for scooters. They have similar diameters and some even seem to have a slightly rounded profile, I'll find some pics. There are some "creepy ass cracker" cheap trailer tires out there so obviously you would want to avoid those.

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    This is a 10 inch Loadstar trailer tile.
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    If there is a trailer tire that is designed to deliver power/torque to propel a vehicle, then I would be incline to try it.

    From what I know, trailer tires are not necessarily less expensive than car tires, do not last as long as car tires.. miss the purpose of getting a rear tire that's cheaper and longer lasting than moto tires.
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  15. andoulli

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    You make a number of good points. I'm not a member, nor will I ever be a member of the dark side. On the other hand CVT drives seem almost perfect for trailer tires in the measured way they transmit power, and the words power and torque are not often used in connection with smaller scoots. All this for those who might be inclined to experiment, again that would not be me. I want the best, safest, sportiest tire I can get for my two wheel vehicles.
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    Not likely to find yourself the best, safest, sportiest tire; if you are not willing to experiment and try them all. :lol3
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  17. andoulli

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    No, I'm willing to try different tires made to be mounted on my FJR or Silverwing, that kind of experimenting is fine with me. I'm not willing to experiment with dark side rubber, I'll leave that to those willing to take the risks.
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    I think you're missing the point of conducting experiments. :lol3

    Yet you suggest those who are willing to experiment to try something that's not designed for powered vehicle; IMO trailer tires are far more dangerous than car tires mounted on motorcycles or scooters.

    At least car tires are designed for heavier load with greater power output vehicles than motorcycles or scooters.
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  19. klaviator

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    The performance of any bike will always be limited by it's weakest link. In many cases that would be the nut that connects the seat to the handlebar.

    Most bikes are also limited around curves by their clearance. I have yet to own a street legal bike that didn't start scraping stuff before the tires ran out of traction. It seems that most darksiders are on bikes that don't have really great cornering clearance so the car tire won't be a limiting factor anyway. I don't think that a car tire will have much affect on braking. The biggest problem I see with car tires is that it will change the way the bike feels. I talked to a darksider this weekend. He had a car tire on his cruiser. He said that the tire did feel weird but after a few weeks he got used to it and then it felt fine.

    Let's face it, if you ride a lot it's a PITA and also expensive to constantly be getting new tires. How many of you run other than really sticky sport tires. If you do, you are compromising "safety" for economy.

    I'm not planning on becoming a darksider myself but I'm not ready to critisize them when I have never tried it myself. If I owned a cruiser that I put a lot of miles on, I might try it.
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    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    AKA, rider or operator.

    "Not willing to try" hardly constitute as a factor that car tires can not outperform moto tires when mounted on motorcycles or scooters.

    You don't have to ride conservatively when you have a car tire mounted on your 2-wheeled vehicle.

    Just as any new tires mounted on your bike, take the time to learn how it behaves, handles and its limitations.

    Honestly, how often does anyone scrap pegs or center stands on their bike regardless of type of tires mounted?

    On my car tire mounted Burgman 650, I did it once about every other week.

    On my regular moto tires CBR or Ninja, nearly never, because body positioning can compensate a lot of bike lean, and I don't like to spend money on replacing pegs.
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