DCT-automatic on a tug /5/14-update-Burgman 650

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by gsjo, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    This is Deborah. This is coming from my perspective. Still looking around for the perfect tug. I think I want a NC700X dct abs with a small sidecar. We spent the weekend looking at various motorcycles that would work with a sidecar. Soooo, I think the perfect tug would be a Nc700X. It's quiet, performs well and is quiet as any bike I've ever seen. Still not sure which sidecar would be the perfect fit.

    I'm currently driving a K75 with a unit linked front end, which is a great sidecar, but I won't be able to use a clutch for much longer.

    The Suzuki Bergman is a close runner up. My husband Joe, sent a email to Mobec to see what would work and what they have as products. (ie leading links subframes)

    I sat on a cruiser CTX 700, but it's just not my style, plus I'm way too short for the brake or shift lever.

    We took the NC700X dct for a ride and we were both quite impressed. We chose not to try the Aprila Mana 850GT as the transmission runs on a belt drive, which has the possibility of leaving us stranded.

    Did not look at the BMW scooter because Aprila and BMW both have less Dealer representation that is crucial for touring.

    I'd appreciate any opinions that you seasoned hack guys have to share.

    I followed a seasoned hack rider to his trip to Panama and back, driving a NC700X with Sputnik. It was on a ride report on Adventure Rider. Tried to start a conversation, but haven't heard back from him.

    We've not made a purchase yet, but it's in the near future. NC700X DCT first choice. But... if you convince me that the Burgman would be a better choice, I'd listen. However, the Burgman is 100 lbs heavier and $2500.00 more in price.

    Thank you so much for all of your patience in the first 2 threads. He didn't tell me about the first thread, but I'm ready for a change!!!!! Aging is happening quicker than I thought.
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  2. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    Bergman centrifugal variator...
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    Honda NC700 DCT...
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  3. High Octane

    High Octane Long timer

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    Red and blue gears!
    I think it should make a great rig.
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  4. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    The Burgman costs MORE than the NC700X? Well, that's that. Hack the NC700X.

    Only decision now is, what car? The answer to that will involve what you're gonna do with it. Cargo only, or dogs too?
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  5. hapbob

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    I am so happy for you......and me. I want to see how this goes for you for I could see the NC700X DCT hacked in my future.
    Go for it and this will be fun. I vote Honda over Suzuki most every time.
    That age thing is what we all are dealing with.
    Anyone know where the tread is she mentions of NC700X DCT hacked she saw.
    Hap
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  6. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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  7. SwampFox883R

    SwampFox883R Been here awhile

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    This is Mrs. SwampFox's Burgman 650/Ranger rig assembled back in 2009 with mounts from Texas Sidecars (owners now retired). The rig performs well - faster than my former 883 Sportster/Texas rig. The only significant mechanical issue we've encountered in 18,000 miles was a leaky o-ring on the water pump:
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    that took us amateurs a couple of days to replace:
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    The upper rear mount can be a little tricky with this setup, and tho we avoid extended off-pavement travel, we simply take it easy when we need to run a couple miles of dirt/gravel to reach camp/rally sites. As I recall, DMC has an "external" subframe for the Burgman 650.

    An automobile tire can be counted on the stock rear wheel. Another good thing is Motor Trike in Texas makes a 5-degree "raked" triple tree for the Burgman, as does Custom Triple Trees in Illinois. We have installed one of each on this and another rig, and prefer the Motor Trike kit. The modified trees make the rig much easier, and less tiring, to ride.
    Now, if'n we were looking or a replacement today, I'd take a close look at the NC700X DCT. [​IMG]
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  8. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    I'M WITH HER
    Light weight hack needed no commit yet on which one. Want a convertible top to keep the direct sun off the dogs.We will keep an eye out for one used I hope. Would like the build done my this time next year.Looking at a couple of used NC700x in the south west.So this is a no hurry try to get right build.
    The link to the guy with his wife taking a nc700x to panama

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/tahoe-to-panama-back-w-honda-sidecar.1187394/
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  9. DirtyDR

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    I guess if you are not going to do the Aprilia then the NC700X is the way to go. Probably the best choice regardless. Still like the Sputnik and Jay may do you a good deal on hack and mounts if he still has any left. Easy enough to put a convertible top on for the dogs also.
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  10. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Hi Deb I'm home sick as a dog with the flu and Justin can't figure why home mid morning.
    I like the Honda with it's hi tech double clutch transmission, but the Burgman would be easier and the stuffs (triple tree's ) are available. How much trouble do you want this to be ? Brock or Claude or someone would gladly build you a leading link , you may not get to ride it this year !

    I think I'll vote Burgman to expedite, I'd probably use the Escort that's on the K75 !
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  11. jaydmc

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    Either bike will work. You need to go with the bike that steers your passions the most as you will have the rig for many years. The Burgman would be the easy route to take, the Honda only slightly more difficult only in that as far as I know no one makes any front end parts for it however with the bike in our shop we could make leading links or leading legs. You could also stay with your K75, add an electric shifter and a foot clutch. An electric shifter and a foot clutch would also work on any number of bikes should you wish to expand your choices for a bike.
    Jay G
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  12. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    I kinda have pushed the Burgman because in our mid 60's she can still mount a taller ride(nc700x). But I do not know if that will be true in 5 yrs.!! The greater ability to do dirt roads is one of Deborah's criteria .So FoxSwamp's in put is very valuable information.
    The foot clutch with electric shifter we kicked around this last year. That set up is probably $1500 . Its on a 30 yr old BMW. But I know a new build will be 10x that cost.And she dose likes the K75
    A contributing factor for the NC700x is better brakes and integrated brakes . AS her hand strength is less than it should be for hard braking.
    But a K75 upgrade would be better than taking out a 2nd mortgage on the house for a build.!
    The champion escort is no heavier than a sputnik which did surprise me.
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  13. pigmywolf

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    Hi Dave,

    Here's my issue with the Burgman. I'm not opposed to a scooter rig. My concern is small wheels on the scoot. Joe likes doing the back roads and we'll probably be going to the Northwest Territories and such. Not sure a scooter would be happy doing those kind of roads.

    Miss you guy.

    Deborah
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  14. bruceco

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    I had a friend who has stopped riding 2 years ago because of health issues. He was also over 80.
    He had 3 sidecar outfits. All had velorex 562's on them.A Suzuki 4 cyl 550,bmw 1000 k and burgman. He said the burgman handled well.His wife was always in the sidecar no matter which he took out.The transmission went on the burgman at 50,000 kms ( 30,000 miles )
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  15. JustKip

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    This would be my concern with the belt-driven scooter variator. I really don't know much about them, but I'm suspicious of the internal belt and variable pulleys. OTOH, they look easy to rebuild.
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  16. draco_1967

    draco_1967 Been here awhile

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    Just to offer inspiration, here is an NC700X with a sidecar. It's the standard transmission, but I would think the DCT would do just fine. There are plenty of riders towing trailers with them without issues.
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  17. hydawaydoc

    hydawaydoc Adventurer

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    My wife and I have 4 rigs between us; a Vstrom adventure rig, an Indian Scout, a KTM 690 enduro outfit and a 650 Burgman/Champion Escort. 3 of the guys I ride with regularly have similar assortments. We all agree, if we had to go with one rig it would be the Burgman. My wife also has a CTX 700. She loves it, but a Burgman will run rings around it. Another thing to consider; auto tires are readily available for the Burgman. 17 inch tires for the HONDA are much more difficult to come up with.
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  18. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    At long last someone who's not going to allow his ego too influence his recommendation !
    I believe your exactly right I have ridden allot of gravel with a scooter guy and he humiliates me all the time !:lol3
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  19. gsjo

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    OK the responses on the Burgman are starting to impact the decision . So which one to tour with , because we tend to do lots of miles on motorcycles. We prefer off the beaten path. But doing that with sidecars more now .
    hydawaydoc thank you for your input. So the Burgman can out preform the NC700x. How is the ground clearance.How is the suspension did you need to change out the shocks?Deborah's concern is small tires on the dirt roads
    Deborah (pigmywolf on this forum ) is on the fence . She /we hope to get the choice right because it will hopefully be the last rig we build for her.
    I putting any sidecar changes off for me till we have her up and running.

    We sure do appreciate the different perspectives and are grateful for every ones input.
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  20. hydawaydoc

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    The rear shocks are more than adequate. My wife has issues with her left shoulder so we had the raked trees from Brock installed (actually being done by a machine shop in Illinois now). This resulted with a rig that can be operated with one hand under ALL conditions. Heavy duty fork springs would probably be a good idea but we haven't gone that route yet. Ground clearance is about average. It eats gravel roads up but avoid big rocks
    (Don't ask). The rig will run 80 all day on the Interstate and wind protection is as good as anything you'll ever ride. We put between 50 and 70,000 miles a year on all our rigs (2 and 3 wheels) and if I were leaving in the morning for California it would be on the Burgman.
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