DCT-automatic on a tug /5/14-update-Burgman 650

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  1. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    hydawaydoc thank you for the encouraging words on the Burgman. Deborah almost purchased a well sorted out low mileage NC700x. DCT. (that now on hold)The used NC700x are much cheaper than a Burgman . So you think the executive model is the way to go. I have 2 Champion Escorts we really like them for several reasons.So could cannibalize the K75 and use the Escort.
    Well you have Deborahs attention on the Burgman.It will get her to Alaska,and the top of the world highway?
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  2. pigmywolf

    pigmywolf Adventurer

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    Hi Dave,

    So, we're still pondering.

    Looked at the Burgman scooters. Nice. I could see myself riding a burgman sidecar.

    They're pricey, to the tune of 10k plus.

    So, why do you think that a burgman would be better tug than a NC700? I can pick up a used NC700 for half the price. And to be honest, I've no idea how much it'll take to turn the NC700 into a reliable sidecar rig.

    I trust your opinion. At least we've got it down to the Burgman or the NC700. Also, looking at clearances which favor the NC700. I just don't know what to do!!!!!
    Arrrrrrrrrggggggg!!!!!

    xoxo
    Deborah
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  3. pigmywolf

    pigmywolf Adventurer

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    Also, the Burgman appears to have a belt drive, which the Aprilla also has a belt drive and I've read that there can be issues with it. Also less clearance than the NC700. Just sayin'
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  4. DRONE

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    You don't need to buy a new Burgman if that's the way you're leaning. There's THIS ONE, hardly even broke in yet with 6000 miles that can be had for under $6000 and it's near DMC (meaning its also near me for a fly'n'ride'n'visit!)
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  5. gsjo

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    2013 some significant up grades from my understanding on the Burgman. So still not sure -well even less sure before we heard from hydawaydoc and his experience. But have not committed to one or the other. But we are losing sleep over it
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  6. Crilly

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    I have had 2 nc700x. One was a dct. They are a little under powered. A good head wind we'll find you drafting semi's to keep up. I have an African twin dct, they have enough power to be hacked.

    How ever, I also have a vfr 1200x dct. If I was going to make an adv. rig, the vfr1200x dct is the bike I would start with. They also have a shaft drive. They are not selling well (way I have no idea) so shop around. I love Dct's.
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  7. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    Deborah is 5'1" 120 lbs. she can not fit on an Africa Twin.. But she really wanted to,she tried
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  8. hydawaydoc

    hydawaydoc Adventurer

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    I totally agree with Crilly. If I were putting together a new adventure rig and I could afford it the Honda vfr 1200x dct would be my choice. Having said that keep in mind that used Burgman rigs are readily available. Of the 6 rigs owned by guys I hang with no one has over $7000 invested. Burgmans 2009 and newer have none of the transmission issues associated with earlier models. Also 650 Burgmans have a geared final drive, not a belt.
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  9. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    One more visit to the dance floor the belt appears to be as much metal as rubber http://burgmanusa.com/forums/15-burgman-650/33419-cvt-belt-reliability.html
    Its not an easy change so I'll assume Suzuki planned on not too many failures http://www.max.grenkowitz.net/?topic=989 .It has 17" wheels .
    Looking at Burgman images while looking for CVT info it appears to be well built and have a real frame tying the wheels together.
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    If it's got to be a motorcycle BMW F800 or 650 rekluse makes clutches and Jay has already built leading link forks for at least one it probably won't work allot better than a Burgman but will cost allot more and be a pain in the ass to get built !
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  10. 4PawsHacienda

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  11. Crilly

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    I am 5'3" tall. Both the Africa twin and vfr1200x, I have only 1/2" of padding. High density foam.
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  12. gsjo

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    After much thought and consideration Deborah may be purchasing a use NC700x . Well that is our plan . If the seller follows through.
    She made a call to Dave B on the "RED PHONE ". She had to have his blessing to make the final call.
    There has been a spiritual cleansing and understanding through that conference call. He was very reluctant but finally offered the blessing she was searching for..

    "It is better to travel well than to arrive." Buddha -(and Dave B )
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  13. DRONE

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    OH NO! What a terrible decision! :bash

    Just kidding! Good to have that part of it behind you. Now . . . what car?

    Please don't say Champion Escort (ugh).
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  14. gsjo

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    We have a NC700X identified about 200 miles from here. Trying to put together a purchases date .
    Possibly a chair from the k75. Escort meets our criteria
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  15. DRONE

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    If you pull the Escort off of the K75, what are you going to do with the K75? With the subframe on it, and the leading link forks, it would seem to be best suited as a tug rather than a solo bike.
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  16. gsjo

    gsjo Been here awhile

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    I think the unit forks may fit the nc700x. both are 41 mm front forks?
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  17. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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    Same width?
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  18. DirtyDR

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    Good choice, I was secretly hoping you wouldn't go for the scooter although I do have a couple of other friends that ride Burgmans.

    Should be able to get that front end to work.
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  19. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    I wish I was as knowledgeable as Deb thinks !
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  20. jaydmc

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    There is a lot more to changing over leading links then tube diameter. Tube diameter is the least of your worries as Unit as well as us make our down tubes out of 1.5 inch tubing and make shims to fit. Other things to consider, spacing on the down tubes, axle diameter and width, brake mounts, wheel sizes and more. Yes a person if the tube spacing is the same might be able to install the leading link but chances are they would also have to run the BMW wheel and brakes to make this work. It the spacing is not the same then you would also need to run the triple trees.
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