Dedone trail reduce mods1100/ 1150gs

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by davebig, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    I think I'm with Cob on this one ! I like to think DMC ought to take those flat ones back and offer to sell a current design at cost ! Everybody gets something !
    Cob Trudy has a big tank on mine seemed to have send a lot of the weight forward when I installed mine requiring a much heavier front spring, How's trudy go with out a trail reducer ?
  2. Melrone

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    You know I'd be willing to tear my front end off and send back the flat one for his new design.. If I can get my front end backup the way it should be that would be great... When will this happen, probally never...
  3. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy Dave,

    When I installed the large fuel tank in March of 2001 I had a set of Ohlins shocks built for the bike that included much heavier springs to provide the ride I wanted and to support the added weight of the extra fuel carried in the large tank, the sat level with a full tank, 10.9 gallons of fuel. The sidecar was installed in 2012 maybe 2013 I don't remember for sure, that's when Jay's moded front forks were done and the rig sat four inches LOW in the front with an empty fuel tank. The rig now sits level even with a full tank of fuel and handles just fine with the STOCK fork assembly, yes it does steer a bit heavier but not to the point reinstalling the modded forks that make it dive when going into corners or under hard braking and leave me feeling like I am constantly sliding forward when riding the bike.

    Jay, by building a different setup admits that the old setup was wrong or he wouldn't have done it, his not standing behind his product and taking care of his customers who were sold the old system speaks for it self, sadly this is a common occurrence and I see little chance of it changing.

    Dave
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    >>>Jay, by building a different setup admits that the old setup was wrong or he wouldn't have done it, his not standing behind his product and taking care of his customers who were sold the old system speaks for it self, sadly this is a common occurrence and I see little chance of it changing.<<<
    I just want to make a few comments to clear the air. Way back we had purchased a couple of trail reducers from DMC. They dropped the front end when installed. I called Jay and said we were in the midst of designing our wn and we would raise the rear portion of it to maintain ride height. He said it could not be done as it would add trail back to the bike. I told him we had it figured out so the trail would still be reduced as it should be. Then not to long after that DMC came out with a raised one. When we came out with ours and posted it here in the manufacturers section I was accused of copying his design etc etc. Go read the thread. I was very disappointed in the comments made at that time as well as the accusations. previously I was trying to offer him some advice and revealed to him our intentions and it is obvious where that led me. I kept my mouth shut for the most part and planned on keeping it that way until now. I just want everyone to know that we have not had complaints nor issues with our trail reducers. We have not had any failures nor dissatisfied customers. We still, in an effort to make things even better decided to go with a steel insert in them to give a steel to steel thread connection fr the ball. We also went to 7075 aluminum on the newer models in lieu of the 6061. NOT due to issues but we just felt it was a better way to go. BTW we have never had an issue from day one with the ball . Fact is you can only go so far with the offset before the ball may bind when steering in the bump mode. We experimented with urs to avoid this. So.....my blabbering here is for one purpose only and that is to say that a properly designed trail reducer will work well and take the abuse that it is called upon to take. There are limits that can be adhered to if the design is set to work within them. THAT is important. Do trail reducers work ? Yes.
  5. claude

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    When I went claude's shop he showed us one of his tree's it was a peice of art work.. I'd had them change mine over to it, but it wasn't in the budget.. I had to replace just about everything the PNW boys built I ran out of money... After rereading Claude's thread all I see is improved,better built peice... Not a stolen peice...
  7. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Well I just got some pieces back from machinist buddy( he's great at jigs) who did a few mods for me, raw and unfinished 2 for an R1150gs one for a R1100gs they change the steering axis 3/4" an reduce trail to 1 3/4" on those GS's I can sell them this way cheaper than if I clean them up and powder coat them which I will eventually do.
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    When they are cleaned up and powder coated I'll need 550 for bridge and shortened telelever.
    These are build by machining out the original ball joint mount welding in new aluminum and boring and threading a new hole.

    I have one more r12GS A frame that has been modified 1" it would work well with Claudes trail reducer but I wouldn't use it with a DMC reducer though there is a member doing that and he is happy.

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  12. davebig

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    Thanks guys I'm trying again .
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  18. davebig

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    One more time for old times sake :(
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  20. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Powder coated these last 2 at a new to me coater ! One is sold and I'll probably keep the other thinking I'll put a chair on my other 1150gs or maybe not.
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    These aren't beauty queens could have had allot more filling and grinding but I was determined to get them done cheaper about $400 a set like this.
    But I doubt I'll build anymore but I do have a machinist welder buddy who will, the ball joint mounts where done on a Bridgeport so location is better. DB
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