Degree of Difficulty/USA Trials

Discussion in 'Trials' started by wb22rules, May 28, 2013.

  1. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    Now I swear I read a post 4 or 5 up that said that you judged a helluva lot better than that... :p

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  2. Sting32

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    By golly we'll still ride! Rule is even a bad day of dumb rules for trials, is better than the best day at work.. just sayin...:D

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  4. 2whlrcr

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    I just wanna ride too. But if our local clubs go to No Stop, I will probably stop competing. And I'm lousy at stopping and hopping. I just think our sport has progressed to include balancing as part of your bag of tricks. But I'm old and stubborn too. Good thing I've got 85 acres of primo trials land to ride on out my back door and I can stop all I want, without anyone seeing me.
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  5. Huzband

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    This +1!
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  6. Twin-shocker

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    The idea of the trials manufacturers to revert to NS rules (which they forced FIM to adopt), is something I dont think works at WTC level, and certainly isnt likely to help with bike sales, which I would guess was the intended purpose.

    However bearing in mind the costs of competing in locations such as the US, it seems disappointing the severity of the sections at this event seems to suggest concentration rather than rider ability was the deciding factor here.
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  7. Dorian

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    You mean like "observers" (home plate umpires) in major league baseball? :lol3
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  8. Gordy

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    No stop is ridiculous.
    It is mpossible to score. I know Lineaway, your World section was good and you guys scored it fairly. I saw lots that weren't. This was a world event for crissakes. You don't have a 5 minute video for judges in any other world class sporting event and expect them to know what the hell is going on.

    To monkey with the rules in an attempt to minimize the skill set of athletes is just stoopit.
    Time limits in sections combined with sections that don't have artificial boxes to hop around in are IMO the way to go. Use the terrain and set the sections smart.

    Go watch a trials demo with Aarons or Smage and see how interesting that would be no-stop! Really, no-one wants to see this except a few old timers that are nostalgic for the "way it was". I really don't care how it was and I don't have a wooden driver in my golf bag either.

    This reminds me of when Indy Cars split into Indy and CART. That worked out great for that sport. If the FIM keeps dicking with the rules, this sport will suffer even more. :deal
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  9. wb22rules

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    Great points. I also have retired my wooden driver, and remember how the Indy/Cart spilt "helped" the sport :wink:
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  10. Sting32

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    Yeah I still laugh when I think about that quote on Speed channel, when Kyle Petty said something (shit now memory is fading) "what is a 4 letter word for a slow moving vehicle pulled by Donkey?" CART. LOL.
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    The no stop rule at WTC trials came about due to pressure on FIM from the trials manufacturers. I would guess the reason was something to do with them thinking this rule change would help them sell more bikes?

    However while no stop at lower levels of competition obviously means the sport becomes much more of a realistic prospect for newcomers, I get the feeling that lack of well priced basic beginner friendly bikes, and complete lack of any proper promotion of the sport are likely to have much more of an effect than stop or no stop rules....................
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  12. dmay

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    When we lay out our sections the easiest line is always test ridden "fingers off of clutch lever",The next line up may have one or two sections during the day that while easily ridden no stop it may be beneficial to be able to stop. As you move up in classes it gets tighter and bigger,What else can be done for "newcomers? Jesus,if you can make the damn thing move and stop you can get through a novice section,the Loop is usually tougher.


    I think for the USA the best promotion would be to hold Trials events concurrently with Hare Scrambles and enduros or at least setup mini test rides during races that include a couple of real sections along with enough trials riders doing demos of all skill levels....Blah,Blah,Blah,I'm going riding...
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  13. 2whlrcr

    2whlrcr gooligan

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    Trials has always been small and probably always will be. My HS and MX buddies, always say there are "too many rules".:D
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  14. plane_ben

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    Trials has always been small in the US. Not so in England, Europe, and Japan.

    As a spectator, I liked the stop-n-hop, but as a rider I didn't like it. When I reentered the sport after a twenty year gap I remembered going to an event where the top rider rode in the morning and the lower classes scored them, then the opposite in the afternoon. I didn't know the stop-n-hop rules and I was giving out fives like candy at Halloween.:roflI got a real quick lesson on the new rules.
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    I checked sec. 8 on Sat. My instructions were ( from the FIM Meeting) a pause of one thousand one - one thousand two is OK any more is a 5 ! I volunteered to check with expectations of watching for spokes to stop for a 5,untill the meeting. I watched most of Sundays loop & thought the scoring was correct as per meeting. My 2 cents is that it is up to the organizer to set up the trial for NO STOP. The observer has to deal with what he has. I will check again stop or no stop because I don't want to make any money I just love Trials
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    best response i've read
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  17. dmay

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    Oh Gawd,that'll go right to his head...
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  18. Gordy

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    Interesting. :hmmmmm

    So, no matter what has been said, they were allowed a 2 second "pause".
    That explains the videos that are out there with the riders apparently stopping and still getting cleans.

    So it's not really no stop, it's 2 second stop. :poser

    How the hell can a guy judge that?? I can't imagine scoring (at the world level, no less) and counting in my head as they are stopping, pausing and doing these semi-hops. :loco

    This is getting more ridiculous the more I hear about it!
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  19. jonnyc21

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    Wow, I know I sure would have a hard time being consistent with my scoring if I had to do all the standard scoring for dabs, inside the ribbon, not rolling back, etc. and then add a 2 second "pause" (no stop) on top of all of it... :huh
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  20. motojunky

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    As hard as it may sound, I think a pause makes it easier to score. The club that I have been riding with has always used no-stop rules with a specific allowance for a one second pause. Generally speaking, pauses are either momentary or they are long (5). The only time it gets interesting is when a rider is stuck and frantically trying to get moving again. Consistency is the key there - just score everyone the same.

    All that said, after attending the world round, I've solidified my opinion that no-stop is not the answer. I firmly believe the bike dragging and the all-day dab have to go, but I don't think no stop is the only way to accomplish that.
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