Desert 100 ADV Class

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by SOP Dirt-Rider, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. Camel ADV

    Camel ADV aka Oso Blanco

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    Tweaking rules to keep the 690 out is a moot point as they aren't dominating the class, so far not even a podium finish. There are always going to be bikes with a big advantage over others in a class like this. A BMW 1200GSA in the same class as a KTM 950 SE? That's crazy and certainly not a fair fight but seems to me the whole point of this class is racing with the wrong equipment and doing it with a big smile on your race.

    Being that it's a struggle to find enough guys wanting to race, why not open up the rules or make exceptions. Keep the 652cc min but wave it for certain bikes like the KLR650, 650 V-Strom, DR650 (others?).
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  2. Apple Jam

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    Don't get me wrong, anybody, I could care less who races in the ADV class, nor could I care less if I finish on the podium and a 690 does. It just seems a bit rude to include the 690, and not include a KLR or XR650.

    This ^^^^^ :norton

    KLR & DL650 & 1000 V-Strom sure seem like Adventure bikes to me.
    They are often seen full of luggage...
    ...and often purchased for the purpose of what WE call Adventure Touring
    (WABDR, OBCDR etc,...as compared to what ex-Harley guys call Adv Touring...).

    The XR, 690E, and DR650, not as much.
    But whatevah....LET'S RIDE !!!!! :clap
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  3. wizze

    wizze Wizze = Wise

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    I would say keep things the way they are. Build interest first then when 20-30 adv bikes are lined up with 690's filling the podium, the rules could be tweaked. The KLR isn't as weak as you would think. A friend would ride his clapped out KLR to enduros, RACE the enduro, get top 5 in DS class, then ride home. :lol3 I would agree XR650 is not adv since it won Baja how many times?
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  4. Off Road Ryder

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    Youll never please everyone on this, I think the rule is a good one.
    A guy would be a fool to race their gs1200. Riding the poker run is one thing a real race at pace is quite another.
    fact is an XR is a dirt bike never licensed for the street and a Baja killer. that bike is the single reason for the 652 cc rule.
    A 690 KTM is not even in the same league as a XR650R The most winning bike in Baja.
    I don't really care, Ill race against any bike, but if there are guys getting butt hurt, maybe 700 cc should be the target.
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  5. Camel ADV

    Camel ADV aka Oso Blanco

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    I totally understand the interest in excluding the XR650R. I don't think anyone is arguing that it should be allowed. As you said it's unfortunate that simply using a CC guideline excludes some that are clearly ADV bikes. The KLR is arguably the most popular and iconic ADV bike on the planet so it's too bad it's excluded because it's lacking a few CCs.

    I've competed in lots of things and helped organize and set up several others too. It's a lot of work and you're right, you'll never please everyone but the fact that people want to debate the rules and details means people are interested and that's never a bad thing IMO.

    I'm just happy the StumpJumpers acknowledge there are those of us that want to race our big fat bikes and gives us an opportunity to do it. :thumb
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  6. mx813

    mx813 Been here awhile

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    652cc rules stands for 2014.

    Any bike with displacement greater than 652cc qualifies for the adv class.

    Mike
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  7. One Fat Roach

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    So if I install a 685 kit in my KLR I could race it? :evil
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  8. Camel ADV

    Camel ADV aka Oso Blanco

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  9. Luke

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    I'm pretty sure the number is for factory displacement. But there are plenty of other classes to race it in.
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  10. MortimerSickle

    MortimerSickle Semi-Adventurer

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  11. Sethro303

    Sethro303 Master of Disaster

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    :deal
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  12. wbedient

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    I wasn't suggesting there is anything wrong with the ADV class rules, I think anybody running a ~650cc bike is doing a pretty good job of running a bigger/heavier bike over some pretty rough trails.

    Didn't mean to stir up the hornet nest.

    :D
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  13. Apple Jam

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    Same story here. What you are doing is awesome. It was just discussion. I certainly won't have a chance of making podium, and don't care who does. I just want the experience.
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  14. SOP Dirt-Rider

    SOP Dirt-Rider Been here awhile

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    Podium? Heck, what we need is MORE riders willing to give this a go, if the numbers stay low there is a real chance this goes away. Like AJ, I have no expectation of reaching a podium finish-at Odessa-the podium I am most interested lays between my ears. I'll be a rider in a race, riding my own ride. Yes, I will pass you if you are in my way and if I am in front you better believe "We are in a race":deal
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  15. Apple Jam

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    :nod

    I'm just not yet at the level of what I've personally seen from Radek, Darryl, and Alex. But I sure as hell wanna be closer someday, and that's exactly why I wanna do this !!
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  16. SOP Dirt-Rider

    SOP Dirt-Rider Been here awhile

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    This is REALLY cheesy, but we are doing a DS 201 class on Saturday:D

    'Nuff of that, make sure you stop by the DS area and say howdy (bring your bike so I can loosen half of the spokes):freaky
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  17. Off Road Ryder

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    I don't know about that Jeff, we've had some great rides, get the suspenders worked out and its a game changer.
    Im encouraged to hear that several plan on making the race,
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  18. PNWRider

    PNWRider Live an Adventure!

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    I would consider joining if I could do it on my 685 KLR and have even contemplated entering with my Super Tenere but I don't think I want to pay to fix it or myself post race.

    Do you guys think the course is possible to do on a bike like the S10 or 1200 GSA and still have fun without bending/breaking stuff? I assume with a bunch of money and time both could be made to survive, and it sure would be fun just to go out and finish. Even without engaging "race speed" I bent both rims on my S10 in UT a couple summers ago going over lockhart basin.
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  19. mlyamkaw

    mlyamkaw Drill Baby Drill

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    I can't speak for the S10, never ridden one. But I have a GSA, and would never attempt that race or course on my pig. I might if I was 6'5" and 270, all muscle...:rofl I would do it on a 950, and was trying to locate an SE to race this year. The 950 is a big heavy dirt bike. I think the GSA is a big heavy street bike with the ability to ride dirt roads.:deal
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  20. Off Road Ryder

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    I don't think I would, at race pace anyways, unless it was a built up bike. Ride the course and have fun, sure its all what you make of it.
    Although they move the course a bit every year, things get beat up more and more, it certainly isn't getting any smoother.
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