Diabolical Rally - 10 questions

Discussion in 'Racing' started by HogWild, May 23, 2013.

  1. pilo

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    Awesome Dave.

    For a new rally though I'd make sure the word got out that this was available.
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  2. Hypermofo

    Hypermofo Been here awhile

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    First off your idea sounds awesome and I would love to do it:clap

    Second - i'm a total noob when it comes to stage rally so take that into consideration...

    3 days of racing
    6 hours/day for fast riders
    Vary nav difficultly inverse to terrain, but it should be a challenge still, maybe a couple SS with both difficult terrain and nav
    Vary terrain difficulty
    Practice optional
    Camp is fine, close to the race keep it simple and ups the social aspect
    Keep liaisons reasonable
    Stationary bivouac
    Not willing to pay 3 times for for Western US

    My list may seem to watered down to a seasoned rally racer and I get that... but i feel like my list represents an average guy point of view that has to juggle a budget, time off work, time away from family, and a fixed amount of vacation in a year.

    I guess it depends if you want to cater to the existing rally crowd (would understand if you do) or if you are trying to attract new racers. The reality is a limited number of people can do this and are even interested in it. An even smaller number can dedicate significant time and money.

    For me, it would be great to have a mix of options from long weekend rallys to 7 - 10 day rallys that would provide average guys the ability to take their rally racing to the next level and still leave growth for when we retire:1drink
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  3. hardenduro

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    I would need more details, but this sounds to me like a bucket list item

    for an old racer with a fascination with Dakar.I do have a question

    regarding the bikes to be used, are you going to leave bike size open

    or are you going use something like the FIM classes? Thanks Fritz
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  4. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    We haven't decided yet. But my first thought is I would not want to put a 450cc upper limit. Maybe a separate class for over 450cc. A heavy bike would not be fun on several of the stages.

    I'll have more details soon.
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  5. Stagehand

    Stagehand Imperfectionist

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    Def count me in. I mean: Please, May I?

    I'd try and work it out, somehow.

    I'd like a couple days at least, hard riding all of it, varied. Bivouac.

    As for the course: Lead Me Into Temptation :freaky HORS PISTE
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  6. Mike_MRS

    Mike_MRS Been here awhile

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    Can a lot not be learned from the European and North African rallies? No need to reinvent the wheel.

    Some guys are suggesting 3 days racing - that's all well and good but to make it attractive to guys like us in different countries it has to be 6 days racing at least. There is no point in spending the travel money getting over there for 3 days of racing, it's just not worth it. The cost of getting there is the same whether it's 3 days or 9 days etc.

    Make it accessible as well. One thing that struck me re the Baja Rally was that the low numbers meant it sold out instantly yet a certain number of spaces were held back for whoever the organisers chose to invite or allow. I enquired about it and was asked to send a "racing resume" to be considered which frankly is a bit insulting for anyone, especially for those who want to try a race for the first time, it would/could put them off right away. It certainly turned me off the Baja Rally. Events need to be welcoming, especially to overseas competitors who are willing to spend the money to get there and support the event.
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  7. DaveRMS

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    +1 on the number of days. IMO, it's not a real "Rally Raid" unless it's a long, multi-day affair. The length, as well as the navigation, is what sets this unique sport apart from the other moto disciplines. 2-3 days doesn't bring bike and body reliability into the mix.
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  8. Baja Dad

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    You have some good points
    A three-day event does not press the body and bike
    I would love to see longer events here in North America
    Meeting and racing with people from around the world is one of the best things in the Offroad community
    I have Friends from all over the globe that I have met Racing in Baja
    But:
    Here in the states most people are lucky to get 7 to 14 days of vacation per year
    With that in mind a three day race event actually turns into six days when you include travel
    As for Racers coming to an event in North America
    It sure has not hurt the Baja 1000!
    Each year there are numerous competitors from all over the world
    European razors razors from Asia razor from Australia New Zealand
    South America & Central America.
    As for the Baja rally , This is a first year event I applaud the promoter for taking it slow and not going in over his head too deep.
    I do wish there were a larger number of competitors it would be nice to meet a lot more people From around the world.
    In my opinion:
    This event is just the start for great things to come in North America
    Let's keep our eyes open and our dreams big
    The diabolical will be upon us soon.
    Be Safe keep it on two wheels
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  9. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    You guys may have your wheels a bit too high in the sky. Keep in mind we are just getting started with this event. We have to deal with private land owners, environmentalists, politicians, emergency services, insurance, and others in order to have any race at all. In our case, in an all new racing location, they have absolutely no experience with this type of event. It’s easy for any one of them to say NO, and put an end to our whole dream. For the first year, we have to do whatever it takes to ease their concerns. If that means limited entries, or limited days, or adjustments to some other manageable aspect, that’s what we HAVE to do. After that, we’ll see what we have to do to survive, and what we’re allowed to do to grow. Don’t expect Diabolical 2014 to be the biggest greatest rally of all time. It may take a year or two to get there! :D
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  10. Country Doc

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    I am a relative noob also, but would love to ride something like this. Here are my answers, for what it's worth. You'll get different answers from the experienced guys, obviously.

    1. Figuring on a day pre/post rally, 4 days of racing sounds good and would start to stress bike/rider reliability. That would mean a week of vacation roughly.

    2. 6 hours racing/day

    3. I like the idea of navigation being a distinguishing skill, but I wouldn't want navigation to be *deliberately* tricky or intentionally misleading.

    4. Terrain difficulty would be nice to have some variability. Maybe an easier/faster day after a rough technical day, for example.

    5. One practice session to get used to the idea would be helpful.

    6. Bivouac

    7. Paved liasons are fine. I personally wouldn't want to knock off several hundred miles of pavement like Dakar prior to racing...maybe 1-1.5 hours on pavement at the most.

    8. Moving bivvy is ok but would be better if it started/ended at roughly the same location at the end of the rally (i.e. a big loop) to avoid the long drive back (i.e. not a direct north->south route). Fixed bivouac is nice to not have the chase crew and much easier for service setup etc. I'd lean towards the latter if possible. Or maybe one fixed one for the first two nights, and move the location for the second two. Something halfway in between.

    9. I *would*, personally, be willing to pay 3x more to race in the US (depending on what the rough fee for Mexico is...)

    10. No input on this one. Baja to me seems to attract a different crowd than Rally Raid. There are lots of SCORE/BITD/Baja events. I'd hope this would be something completely different.

    dc
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  11. ktmJOE

    ktmJOE Been here awhile

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    Fritz, your 690 would be perfect for this kind of racing!
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  12. Bluebull2007

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    This.

    Scott, we also know you will do something diabolical. :evil

    I'm 100% with Charlie on his comments. Rattlesnakes found in sleeping bags will make a nice breakfast.

    Will you announce things here? I would hate to miss out on the registration.
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  13. HogWild

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    Yes, it will absolutely be announced here. I hope to get the official announcement out in about two weeks. I thought we would get it out sooner, but my Diabolical partner Darren is getting married this weekend and he's been overloaded lately, delaying a few things.

    I have one more stage to prerun, which will probably happen a week after Baja Rally. That last stage has a crazy element that might be too difficult navigation wise. I have to test the new concept and see if it works in that area in real racing type conditions. I don't want people getting lost, but I also want good navigators to have an opportunity to show their stuff.

    Here are a few snips from the coming website, to wet your appetite ...

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  14. DaveRMS

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    Thanks for the new teaser pics Scott!
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  15. gagnaou

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    This is looking very interesting! I am going to follow it closely.
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  16. beechum1

    beechum1 Grimace Soup

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    F. the XR isn't going to be the weapon for this fight.....
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  17. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    What's good for Dakar will be good for Diabolical. But if you're lost, what difference is it going to make anyway?

    Have you ever tried target practice during an earthquake? I'm making arrangements for an "earthquake" on day 2 and day 4 just to keep it challenging!
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  18. Baja Dad

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    I am in !!!!
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  19. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    How about a Rhino stamping out the campfire in the middle of the night?

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/OZ81dcD1N8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  20. Baja Dad

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    Any new news??????
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