DMV process for plating a dirt bike

Discussion in 'Alaska' started by See-Double-You, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. See-Double-You

    See-Double-You Long timer

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    Coworker has a Kawasaki 250 of some sort, is interested either purchasing a similar sized dual sport or converting the current bike.


    What's the legal requirements to apply for a license plate? Lights, horn, mirrors?


    And how friendly is the DMV process? Simple inspection? Or does the bike's VIN need to comply with some sort of list? (I've read that Washington is an absolute nightmare.)


    Thanks
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  2. Alaskajeff

    Alaskajeff Long timer

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    Well after doing some research on the state DMV website before I purchased my new 88 XR600R that was SAID to be street legal, it had a tag on it already so I'm running with it!! All I had to do was plop down $90 and I'm currently registered till 2013!!
    Now IF you are TODAY trying to make a dirt bike street legal that is not or never was I think you are OUT OF LUCK in Alaska and MANY other states. Expecially with dual sport/dirt bikes. Now I just saw, on Sunday a custom V-Twin Harley type bike in ER than had NO mirrors or signals, or probably horn for that matter BUT DID have a tag on it!! Obviously this bike was a STREET BIKE made for the street. But with our bikes, it's a different story.

    This is taken right out of the ALASKA DMV website:
    http://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/dealer/sop_reg/R090_motorcycle.htm

    STREET VS. DIRT BIKES:
    Federal law [49 CFR Part 567] requires that a label shall be affixed by the manufacturer to a permanent member of the motorcycle as close as practicable to the intersection of the steering post with the handle bars, in a location such that it is easily readable without moving any part of the vehicle except the steering system. This label must include the statement:
    "This vehicle conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in effect on the date of manufacture shown above."
    NOTE: Dirt bikes cannot be titled and registered, even when a “kit” is used to add lights, signals, etc. The motorcycle must be “manufactured” to meet the standards and cannot be upgraded at a later time to obtain title and registration.


    Then there is this from the MSF about equipment reqirements
    http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/Equipment_Chart_2010.pdf

    YOU be the judge!
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  3. HouseofBeaver

    HouseofBeaver Dont harsh my mellow

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    I was outside recently on a bike buying trip and had a similar question pop up. I was in Arizona looking for a Dual Sport bike and found a ton of converted dirt bikes.

    I wanted to plate the bike in Alaska so I called our local DVM. I spoke to a supervisor of some kind who told me that if I purchase a bike with a title from another state as long as that title does NOT indicated something like "for off highway use only" or "not for use on the road" or "for dirt use only", I was good to go. The Arizona bikes I looked at that had been converted had Arizona issued titles that had none of this disqualifying verbage. Base on that I was told I would have no trouble titling and registering these bikes in Alaska.

    However; in the same conversation I was told that in Alaska, I could not start with a dirt bike, one with manufacture documentation stating it's not for road use, and get it titled and registered for the road no matter what I did to the bike, lights, horn, etc.
    Again, I did not do any research beyond just talking to this one guy at DMV so I do not have documentation that what he told me was completely accurate.
    I ended up buying the DS version of the DR-Z so it was not an issue.
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  4. legion

    legion Ancient Chinese Stir Fry Tool

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    Understand that I don't know what I'm talking about, but... that hasn't stopped me before.

    I have a bike that might fit into this category, sort of. When I bought it it had been titled stateside and their DMV had "branded" the title with a note that seemed like it might not be my friend. The purchase was a total gamble and I was uh, concerned about the possibilities.

    I bypassed the DMV and went to the Tags & Titles company in the parking lot of the Carrs Abbott. Their comment was that Alaska does not brand titles and that there wasn't a spot for such a comment or it's consideration here. They looked for some sketchy online detail regarding the VIN and found none but as it turns out that bike's VIN seemed curiously similar to another model the mfg made.

    Poof... the bike was tagged, titled, and I flew out the door.

    Come time to insure it there was another small bump when the VIN number was asked for. The seat of the pants gamble worked for me but I don't recommend it unless you've already got the bike and want to try. I'm doing it on another bike this summer that has no title.
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  5. AKtracks

    AKtracks Kilted Fükengrüver

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    I looked into this a few years ago, and on top of the registration issue requiring the bike have the manufacturers statement that the bike is meant for road use I ran into issues with insurance. I found that the insurance companies I checked with would only insure the bike as an ATV, and that any accident that occurred on-road wouldn't be covered. Not sure if a LEO would then be able to nail you for operating w/o insurance in that case, but it wasn't worth it to me to test it.
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  6. See-Double-You

    See-Double-You Long timer

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    Thanks for all the replies. I spent 45 minutes yesterday trying to find the above info on the DMV and State Statues webpage.

    Nothing but headaches....



    I passed along your comments, plus a couple of craigslist/alaskaslist recommediations to my friend.
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  7. PistonPants

    PistonPants Crankcase Scavenger

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    Try the State of Alabama and/or bribery.:D
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  8. JustInconsistent

    JustInconsistent Been here awhile

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    I have a friend who wanted a title for a bike not intended for street use. He sent the title to a gentleman in Utah who registered the bike in that state for street use. Once that was done the Utah title was sent back to Alaska, and because this offroad bike had been road registered in another state it was grandfathered in here with no mention of "off-road use only". There was no DMV inspection but he put lights, mirrors, tires, etc on anyway. The bike never left the state.

    Check around the net but I know you can find folks like this on EBay. Sometimes a small physical item comes along with the transaction just so there is a tangible good involved. All this guy does is "transfer titles". He had hundreds of positive reviews so apparently everyone got their title back without losing their ride. It seems to run about $200 on average for the Utah title, then whatever it costs you to re-register the bike in Alaska.

    Another option is to find a frame & title that's already been registered for road use in another state. It costs a few bucks to ship a frame and then you have the work of building a bike from the old one, but it's not as ethically hazy in many peoples minds.
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  9. motorbike_mike1

    motorbike_mike1 Gearhead

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    I did this in Anchorage a few years ago.
    first thing, do not show them a MCO or MSO Manufacturers Statement of Origin do not take it with you or admit to having one if you show them the MSo that says For Off Road Use Only your Done.
    Second you need to go down to the tag office and get the form from them for a reconstructed title. tell them your putting together a Motorcycle from parts that had not previously been titled and ask them which form you need.
    Next you will have to get a Baja designs street legal kit and install it. It will consist of a DOT approved headlight and tail light with a brake light switch, signals and a Horn.
    on the form you get from the tag office it will have a spot for a Police officer to sign off that he has inspected it and it meets Street legal specifications and you need to make a rubbing off the VIN number a piece of paper, a carpenters pencil will work. Once you have done all this you will have to take it to the tag office and they will inspect it and then title it for you.
    I made one mistake when I did it and that was that I rode it down there for which I got a long look and the obvious question asked" How did you get this bike here? I grinned sheepishly shrugged my shoulders and had to admit to riding an non licenced vehicle on the road. After a short lecture and slap on the hand They processed a Title for me.
    Hope that helps
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  10. See-Double-You

    See-Double-You Long timer

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    Thanks again for all the info, and for the couple of PM's sent as well.



    My coworker told me this morning that when she went home yesterday evening, her boyfriend suprised her with a new (2010) Yamaha 250. I'm guessing from the price it's an XT250, more than enough for a new street rider. I steered her to Alaska Leather, hopefully she'll pick up some street duds and sign up for a MSF class.
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  11. akrider

    akrider mild adventurer

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    Thanks for sharing your experience with us. The part about finding a police officer could be a problem. I wonder where we could find an ADV friendly LEO in Anchorage. Hummmmm, hafta start looking around!
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  12. Denalidirt

    Denalidirt High Plains Drifter

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    A dirt bike cannot be legally registered on the road in AK. But it can be done, I did this with my KTM 525, 2005. Designed by the manufacturer to be a dirt bike only. This is indicated by a number or letter in the vin.
    I purchased the bike in N.H. The titled it as street legal and I acquired a N.H. plate and reg. When I got back to AK I transfered the title and reg to AK, and became "street legal". I was stoked. However, every time I road the bike on the road, I got pulled over by the police and was questioned about the bike. It always ended up with a "sorry I didn't think the bike was street legal". All was good, until I was in Fairbanks at the Fred Myers when a woman who worked at the DMV noticed me and my bike. She came over and expressed her concern about it's street legality. I thought nothing about it, until it came time to reregister the bike. That is when I received a letter from the DMV stating that the bike would not be reregistered as a street legal bike. No more plate for the 525.
    So it can be done but you piece of mind may suffer.
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  13. mitchel-2mokes

    mitchel-2mokes n00b

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    Hey, the bike i want to get legal is a 1982 yamaha IT 465.

    I heard there is something about old bikes not being differentiated by the manufacturers as explicitly, so they can be registered?

    any information on that? it comes with a lighting coil and headlight from the dealer, so i thought it might work.

    I think it would be fun to ride a big 2-stroke single around town with some dual sport tires. http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/naughty.gif braaap

    thanks,

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  14. motorbike_mike1

    motorbike_mike1 Gearhead

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    just about any of the APD Motorcycle cops would do it for you if you just pony up and ask em to. Ask Keith or Don at TMSI.
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  15. Sendo

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    My apologies for posting to such an old thread. Do you by chance know who the guy was who "transfered titles"? Or where I could find someone to do that? I've been searching and can't find anything like it on eBay or anywhere else I've looked. Thanks
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