Do I really need a Carnet to temporarily import my bike to a South Africa?

Discussion in 'Africa & Mid East' started by SteveTheLocal, Sep 28, 2016.

  1. SteveTheLocal

    SteveTheLocal Been here awhile

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    it seems most countries now allow for TIP's rather than making a Carnet mandatory? What is the case in South Africa?
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  2. Sir Dookie

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  3. Archangel_SA

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    Really depends on what you're trying to achieve? Are you just planning on shipping there and then riding through Africa? Or is it mostly for use within SA for an extended period of time?
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    Have a look over at Horizons Unlimited, there are guys on bikes that have traveled right through Africa without a Carnet, generally you"ll end up with a Temp importation permit.
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  5. Meurig

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    Yes it would the simplest, otherwise you need to lodge a deposit with South African Revenue Services
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  6. Three Dawg

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    This from the agent that dealt with my bike in Capetown. Anything that gets you through a border easier is good as far as I'm concerned, it get's bloody hot queuing for bits of paper in all the gear...

    Though Carnets seem a pain and expensive, it’s still the easiest and quickest to clear as no formal entry is needed. We just schedule an appointment to inspect then collect Carnet when stamped, normally later on inspection day. Then the vehicle is free to go.




    I also read the HU bits about traveling without a carnet through SA, but that guy entered via Namibia and exited via Mozambique land borders, where frankly they have no clue and we was dealt with by someone particularly clueless.


    Read a hundred stories and you'll find a hundred experts.




    If he arrived in Cape Town without a temporary import permit (TIP) obtained crossing from Namibia and asked us to ship or air it out of SA we would not be able to as we'd have no proof of import to acquit.




    We had 4 Aussie bikers who were also waved through and Customs in Cape Town told me to tell them to drive back to the border (800km) and get a TIP. Thank god they had written their details into some register and after 20 phone calls to the customs at the border I got that page copied and scanned to me reluctantly and customs CTN grudgingly then issued a TIP so that we could do the export. So the Aussies got stuck in Cape Town for a week longer than planned.




    I think the problem is that on entering SA from the North, it’s expected that where they entered the Southern African customs union they would be given a TIP but no one seems to ask.




    Our advice to anyone who does not have a carnet is that on crossing into SA via land, they must INSIST on a temporary import permit if they plan to ship out. If they get told they don't need it they must still insist. If they plan to drive back out, then they can rely on clueless customs people to wave them through in and out. Even then, they are supposed to be asked to pay a customs deposit. Some get asked and most don't it seems.




    For entry by air or sea as temporary import without a carnet, a traveller will have to pay a deposit covering taxes (average 22 to 24 percent), refundable on export. This is based on the highest of 3 valuations that must be provided ( adds off Gumtree, Autotrader are accepted).




    If we then ship it out again, customs must inspect, we clear, and then apply for the refund. It takes about 3 weeks and we charge for this at 5 percent of the refund or minimum R1000 cause it’s a pain to process.




    But if they drive out North it’s a bit more tricky. We then have to give them paperwork to be endorsed after inspection at the border and couriered back to us so that we can prove export and apply for the refund.




    So in short, carnets are way easier indeed.


    Temporary import by air or sea will attract the refundable deposit payment.


    For entering SA by road without a carnet and planning to ship out, they must get a TIP at the border."
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  7. Meurig

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    I answered from experience - I work for an agent here in Cape Town.
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  8. Three Dawg

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    Well I was just quoting what my agent in Cape Town said. I guess if he's not planning to leave SA or Namibia with his bike then a TIP would possibly be easier, depending on the size of the bond. 20 odd percent of the cost of a newish bike is quite a lot of money to cough up.
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  9. Meurig

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    IF he does not intend leaving South Africa, he would require an import permit, a letter of authority from the National Standards Authority and to pay Revenue Services before being able to put it on the road
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  10. Three Dawg

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    No, I meant if he was planning to cross several borders on a trip before leaving again, a Carnet could ease things along and possibly be cheaper. If not, (ie he only travels in SA then leaves) a TIP for his visit might well be cheaper - my Carnet (from the RAC, no longer possible) was about GBP650 after refunds etc.
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  11. Meurig

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    Ok I get it now, it is just quite a process to get the TIP money back and after you have left the country.
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  12. Three Dawg

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    Reckon that's about the size of it. Debate rages about this from time to time on Horizons Unlimited. I got my Carnet discharged quickly, others haven't been quite so lucky. Anyway, the OP's lost interest and we've wandered away from his question. :bore Guess the answer is, yes, you can use a TIP, but there can be advantages to having a Carnet.
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