Do loud pipes save lives?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by DAKEZ, Apr 29, 2011.

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Do Loud pipes save lives?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    A safe rider would not spend any time next to a cage, and would know before overtaking the cage if the driver was using a cell phone, would take steps to better the odds that the driver saw him, etc. If that doesn't work there's a little button on the left side of the handlebars that makes noise when you press it.

    Imagine if every bike on the road sounded an air horn every few seconds no matter where they were. Pretty annoying, don't you think? That's how the general voting public views loud pipes. And that's why we're seeing more attempts at legislating our freedoms away. It's only a matter of time before some laws begin sticking and municipalities start relying on enforcement as a cash cow.
  2. dwoodward

    dwoodward Long timer

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    Why are you riding NEXT TO someone? Slide forward or backward a little. Staying beside them is asking for trouble.
  3. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    I guess both of you last posters are soooooo good that you have never, ever, in your long and storied riding career's spent even a few seconds NEXT TO a car/truck/van? Never got behind a car in the fast lane, and happened to be NEXT TO the vehicle in the lane beside you? Even for a scant couple of seconds? How on earth do you ever pass a truck on a multi-lane highway? Do you just stay behind it................forever? :ddog
    Guess so, 'cause guy's with the skills you 2 obviously have attained would NEVER put themselves into a "danger zone" for even a split second.
    Go figure, after 500,000+ miles in the seat (just counting street riding), I still somehow stupidly manage to have the extreme lack of skill/judgement to actually wind up on the side of another vehicle on occasion.

    Maybe I need to move where the only roads there are are 2-lane affairs.

    :fitz


  4. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    In my own experience, horns just piss people off. And then while cruising quietly and slowly through a residential section, a fist on the hood of the car that had just pulled out in front of me as I went by definitely slowed that driver down a bit and got him a quick ass-chewing from the woman sitting next to him. Out on the open road, loud pipes cause people to stop tailgating ...

    ... but my most-life-saving "loud pipes" experience once happened on a hot afternoon in North Carolina (where psychologically-deafening and -sight-blocking helmets are required). The light had turned green and I had taken a look and begun moving, but then some woman in a cage with no muffler "came out of nowhere" and ran the light and my wife heard her coming and stopped me about two seconds before we would have been broadsided.

    So yes, loud pipes do save lives.
  5. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    This is crap!!! :topes
  6. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    Maybe you missed the word "psychologically"?
  7. BarkSlayer

    BarkSlayer Been here awhile

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    The only thing loud pipes ever accomplished was to annoy just about everyone but the Neanderthal who installed them. :ear
  8. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    Your own mileage may vary, but my own actual experience is much different.
  9. Kbetts

    Kbetts Long timer

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    A couple of questions....

    1. Since the bike is loudest at full throttle and quietest at idle, do you get safer the harder you accelerate? I ask because it would seem under full throttle in traffic is pretty stupid.

    2. What percentage of Loud Pipes BELIEVERS have taken the MSF experienced rider course or similar multi-day course? I ask because MSF teaches to never expect a driver to know you are there. Loud pipes, clown suit, flag waving, siren going......it doesn't matter. SOMEBODY is going to run your ass over unless you prevent it by taking correct action.
  10. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    Being heard is not in any way related either to speed or to acceleration.

    Correct, and that is as I was taught to ride even long before the MSF ever existed:

    "If you ever get hurt, it is your own fault ... period."

    So in my own case, loud pipes are really nothing more or less than an intimidation factor when some screwball who actually *does* know I am there still refuses to allow me some sufficiently-safe space ...

    ... and yes, we could argue highway politics all day long. In one case, however, my "loud pipes" did not mean squat to a woman once tailgating me on a low-speed "scenic road" one day, and so I used my second defensive tactic: slow down and let 'em go around ...

    ... but then I ended up actually having to come to a complete stop on the side of a no-shoulder road before she finally became willing to let go of whatever vicarious pleasure she must have been getting out of driving 10' behind me.

    Absolutely.
  11. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    :huh I do it every day. :ricky (there are two stops on a throttle and both should be tested often IMO) :D
  12. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    I once had a friend begging to ride my bike, and there was just no way I was going to let him crash my bike and possibly kill himself all in one day. And so, I just watched for an opportunity to follow him and his cage somewhere ... and then I blew past his open window so hard that he became scared of my bike and never asked again! :wink:
  13. Kbetts

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    My point is that you can only do full throttle for very short periods of time. So you can only be "safe" for very short periods of time even if you have loud pipes.

    The whole argument is just stupid, so forget it. Next time a loud pipe guy scares the crap out of me I'll just run his ass over and then we can discuss it in hell after they give me the death penalty.
  14. dwoodward

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    A few seconds? Sure.

    Hang out next to them while waiting for room to move past? No.

    Hang back until I can get past them quickly? Damn straight.

    If you're staying beside them, you're increasing your risk, no matter what crutch (hi-viz, loud pipes, bright lights) you believe in.
  15. leejosepho

    leejosepho Sure, I can do that!

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    There certainly are the "Neanderthal" types who seem to think their "rolling thunder" aura makes them "kings of the road" or whatever, and "loud pipes save lives" is really not a good or true statement in any kind of comprehensive sense. And so, and just like in many other areas of life -- smoking has now become a moral issue actually costing people their jobs -- the overall argument has actually become quite clouded. On one hand, there are the "Neanderthals" ... and then there are the rest of us who would prefer a completely different PR policy even while at least some of us still might have "loud pipes" within our arsenals.
  16. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    Thanks. You fielded that a lot more diplomatically than I would have...
  17. bwalsh

    bwalsh Long timer

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    No! I will ride beside for short distances as long as I can get up beside the front window of the car...but not for long...pass and GO!

    So all cars should have loud pipes and motorcyclists should not wear helmets.:deal Got it!
    If you are getting ready to pull out in front of any cage you are no better of a driver/rider than the clueless cagers pulling out in front or you or cutting you off...

    This, except you forgot to add "prayer"...:lol3
  18. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    Well, it seems most were under the assumption that when I said "NEXT TO", that I was figuring on staying right there for the next couple of hundred miles or so. Anyone who's been riding for a while (years) knows that it'll only take that couple of seconds at the wrong time for your life to take a sudden and very bad turn. I like to let 'em hear me there. And again, I ain't talkin' "straight-pipe" loud. I find those dorks quite obnoxious myself. But I'm sure that there are those that would cry like little girls that my bikes waaay too loud, what with their seeeensitive little ears and all. The 950 sounds like a 996 Ducati w/Termi's. Music if you ask me! :lol3

    Ride On!
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  19. Zerk

    Zerk DILLIGAF

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    I agree. You do the best you can, but sometimes in commuter traffic in the city.

    Even when its not busy, to get by a car, you have to spend time in its blind spot.
  20. dbuzz

    dbuzz Citizen of the world

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    I can only agree :roflcontrol is everything :evil but a dick at 6am? What's wrong with that? :wink:

    Loud pipes may not save lives but they may save some of us from boredom

    This is what it is really all about ......
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