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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by willc86, Mar 11, 2018.
Still waiting for your conclusive study.
I'll tell you what, snowflake. You find a post by me on this thread that claims hi-viz works all the time and everyone should wear it, and not only will I go find your links for you, I'll write a big fat donation cheque to ADV. Sound fair?
so I am seeing a lot of talk on high beams and flashing lights. As a new rider, I was actually planning to add a LED light bar on my KLX250 and use it during the daylight. Reason so, I remember seeing a dual sport having a LED light strip and it definitely caught my attention WAYYY BACK on the highway on my review mirror, but then again, I am constantly vigilant and looking around for any changes of traffic and changes in fluidity on the highway. BUt the LED light strips are just bright not shining in someones face like highbeams in a car. I noticed this bikes driver LED light was facing a bit lower. Im sure you guys know what im trying to explain lol
So it more dangerous to have high beams on/LED strip light on? or is it more of a sometimes they dont work because the driver is driving in a "brain dead" state and just flowing with traffic due to it being an everyday ciriculum so they are in a subconscious state of just driving? I do know when I see cars with high beams on or bikes, its usually the first thing I focus on and keep staring, but I do know everyone is different and wont work for anyone; just like people who crash into a huge yellow school bus who claims they never saw them (still act like ti dont work kind of way)
Can't back your own shit so you are calling me snowflake.
Its seriously annoying and target fixation is a thing.
So a LED bar with dual intensity and a proper cut off is good, a Chinese 10,000 lumin full time job may get you run over.
Hi Vis gear has another advantage not yet mentioned. A couple of times while wearing it in coffee shop, I have been mistaken for a police officer. I was offered free coffee and donuts. Of course I declined.
You're on the right track. I think high vis is some help in the rain and at night if it is reflective. On the other hand, the safest approach is to assume half the drivers can't see you and the other half are actually trying to kill you. DON'T LET THEM. In the metromess here it is not uncommon for people to try to use their vehicles as wepons.
I don't do 95 between D.C. and NYC and feel sorry for anyone who has to do it.
Call @Beemer Dood to throughly chastise them
I wore a bright orange helmet for nearly 20 years
Added to that I've had at times, high viz vest, high viz jacket (both in bright yellow) and light colored gear
Along with the black leather and black or gray textile gear.
I've ridden bright green, yellow or orange bikes, I've ridden flat black bikes.
I've ridden with bikes festooned with extra lights and reflective tape and ones that were devoid of that
Currently after years of riding, a couple of years of working in motorcycle safety research
Here's what I do;
My main bike is a DL650 with ABS it's orange
To it I've added reflective tape in white, yellow, orange and black in some combo to the front and rear.
I've added simple small DOT amber running lights on the very outer edges of my hand guards,
and on the back I've added additional tail and brake lights, nothing super bright, surface area roughly doubling the stock rear lights.
And I wear a white helmet, a black, tan or brown jacket and black pants.
Sure my bike is goofy as hell. I don't care, yet I also don't think it will save my ass.
What it does, what high viz gear does, what situational awareness does, what movement does, what riding sober does,
It all gives me a little something to mitigate some of the risks of riding. I also move, I move in my lane and I move in traffic
I will often move left to right within my lane. I want folks to see the movement and the changes to recognize that I'm there.
I have enough personal data points to back up my feelings about conspicuity.
I went from a place of high viz gear on the rider to one of a high viz bike, and elevated level of consicuity on the rider.
For me this strikes the best and easiest balance. My gear looks presentable, it's high quality, it's protective
and my bike still stands out.
The studies that are out there overwhelmingly show that folks wearing high viz gear are under represented in crashes.
Is that because they are safer wearing the gear?
Is that because the kind of person who dons high viz gear in the first place is the kind of rider who's less likely to be in a crash?
Willc86 Here's some really good info with some cited studies. My experience is a Modulating headlight absolutely works to get you seen AND assists greatly in avoiding collisions. It's not a subtle difference, but, a huge difference in collision avoidance. (BTW, My experience is exactly what multiple studies have found). The actual physiological way humans respond to a flashing or modulating light, like they do, was well known long before the studies existed. That's why Light Houses, Channel Markers, aerial towers, Airplanes, blinkers on cars, emergency vehicles, Ships, etc have flashing or modulating lights. Because they help greatly with the object being seen and therefore avoided. To argue, or even suggest, that Target Fixation occurs with flashing or modulating light flies in the face of facts and centuries of use. In the US Modulating headlight is perfectly legal via federal law. As you gain more experience riding, you will begin to notice more Modulating headlights on bikes. You'll notice that you see the bike sooner AND can judge it's speed (approach) much earlier. You will also notice that bikes with non-modulating headlights blend in to the background-basically, they blend in with the fixed lights, reflections, and other shiny/lite colored objects in our world. This phenomenon was well know to the WWII fliers when flying at night and continues to this day (obviously). Basically, the pilots couldn't tell the stars from the ground and other moving and fixed targets. (Pilots jump in anytime). So, to wrap it up. If and when someone tells you that a Modulating headlight is bad because (fill in their ridiculous reasoning) you know they are absolutely ignorant.
Hopefully they don’t think that you are signaling them to turn?
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I don't even think it's lawful in daylight if they lights are causing a nuisance. If you know of a State where high beams in daytime are explicitly allowed from dawn till dusk, I'd be interested to see the law. The lights I am talking about are not necessarily high beams anyway but are badly aligned so they are shining as high beams all the time - unless wiring is modified that's the only way to have them on at the same time as fog-lamps all the time. Never heard of anyone local to me in S. Louisiana getting a ticket for it.
I can think of several motorcycles with dual headlights that both go to high beam. The Vstrom and Goldwing are two that immediately come to mind. The models you are thinking of have a low beam which stays on when the high beam is also on - so still only two headlamps. Fog lights are not the same as daytime running lights and should not be used 24/7 but, if they are installed, they should be aligned to shine low and flat (under the fog.) When mis-aligned or using unsuitable aftermarket lamps, they are a damn nuisance.
Nothing wrong with that. I think most people wearing hi-viz are probably pretty safety conscious so ride defensively AS WELL - best of both approaches.
Well that's exactly what's a flash in these situation means here "i saw you and let you take your turn, go ahead".
Mmh well, if associated with no speed decrease it's also "i saw you sob, get out of my way".
SMIDSY incidents can be the result of a driver failing to see you OR seeing you but failing to consciously register you as a concern due to not appreciating your distance and speed. Dazzling the driver with super bright lights does NOT guarantee they will see you if their eyes only register a bright light (not seeing the small motorcycle silhouette around it) but will definitely make it harder for them to judge distance and speed. IOW, super bright headlamps are NOT going to help with SMIDY's
Flashing your lights has exactly opposite meanings in different cultures. In USA it usually means "Go ahead/I'm yielding right-of-way to you". In many other places it is "I'm going ahead" or "Here I am, stay out of my way!"
They are not bad because they don't work, but they work because they are annoying as hell !
Same reasoning as the "I run my high beams on all the time, tough shit if they don't like it" crowd.
Same as the loud pipe crowd