Do you want 15% Ethanol in your fuel?

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by MasterMarine, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. MasterMarine

    MasterMarine Long timer

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    As many of you know, I was a boat mechanic for many years. In the late 70s and early 80s, the marine industry had a huge issue with increased ethanol and methanol added to fuels. The alcohol caused gaskets to expand and disintegrate in carburetors, fuel pumps, fuel valves, and fuel tanks leading to huge costs for some boat owners. Sometimes the damage even led to burned up powerheads due to a lean running condition and overly advanced ignition since the motors were jetted for a fuel without alcohol that had more pre-ignition and detonation resistance. There was also an issue with the alcohol absorbing water from the atmosphere and concentrating large amounts of it in the fuel tanks during long term seasonal storage leading to problems with water in the carburetor fuel bowls and more issues with poor running. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    It is unfortunate that the lobbyists have convinced our elected representatives to lower the fuel standards once again. Since there has been a rather substantial amount of alcohol in fuels for some time now, most modern equipment does have some resilience but older models could suffer some of the same devastating issues as what happened back then. Of course, the only way we will know if our machinery will last on the stuff is to try it. This is a risk I would rather not take.<o:p></o:p>
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    I just received an email from the AMA concerning a survey over increased ethanol in our fuel. Please have a look and complete the survey to protect your investments. <o:p></o:p>
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    Take the survey today! You can access the survey by going to http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/E15_Survey.

    Thank you for your time to respond to these very important questions.
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    Thanks for taking a look and getting involved
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  2. Capo Rick

    Capo Rick Please understand...

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    Jeezus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick!...................


    NO


    IT IS BAD FOR MOTORCYCLES!
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  3. HighwayChile

    HighwayChile greetings from Wa state

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    the only thing this is good for is corn growers & the politicians they pay off. its not even good for the environment, no dont screw with a food source for a worthless fuel. total bull shit. at minimum all should have a 100% tax credit to repair damage. total bullshit.
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  4. shrubitup

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  5. Kootenai Rider

    Kootenai Rider Gentleman of Liesure

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    Pure gas in my dirty bikes.... The Klr gets whatever is cheap. (Surprise)
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  6. WRW9751

    WRW9751 7th Day Adventurist

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    No! It's a lousy product at best! It works, but causes lots of problems. Farmers and politicians have made some bad decisions with this one!
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  7. HH

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    Thanks for the info Mike.

    No I personally don't need ethonal in my fuel, but the DRZ dosen't seem to care. :kbasa
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  8. Almost There

    Almost There Up, up, and away

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    It is causing all kinds of issues in the small engine business as well. If you leave it in your mower, trimmer, chainsaw for long you will be replacing or rebuilding everything it touches.
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  9. Scott_PDX

    Scott_PDX Leisure Engineer

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    I wish there were more places to buy E0 locally. I'd be willing to pay premium price for it for when I need it (Small engine use, MC and Boat). Sure I can find E0 at marina's and outside of the metro/suburban area, but it's hard to find. E10 and E15 in my newer cars I'm fine with, but they need to make the regualar stuff available still.

    I totally disagree with subsidising corn to make ethanol, but that's a bigger issue.
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  10. grinns

    grinns Semper Fi

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    Most vehicles even up to 2013 15% will void the warranty. I know my 2012 truck says NO ethanol above 10% or it voids the warrenty.
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  11. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    +1

    Ethanol is the biggest scam ever.
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  12. vivo

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    I ruined two fuel tanks with this sh#t. My Speedtriple tank blistered and my Griso tank pimpled! This theft of America by corprate greed and filthy polititions MUST be stopped! !! Looks like we need a few thousand motorcyclists on a ride to Washington, BEFORE this gets out of hand!

    Vivo
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  13. JohnForLife

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    I use a Lucas Ethonal treatment, in my bikes and old cars.
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  14. oldmonkeybut

    oldmonkeybut Digital Emigrant

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    Corn Squeezins belong in my drink not my gastank........

    This garbage has cost all of us a ton of money through damage but it is also hitting us in the wallet everyday thanks to reduced fuel mileage.....and the greenies want us to believe that is better for the enviroment. B.S.


    A while back I drained a little less than a quart of fresh gas out of a small motor. Everything else in the shop at that time ran on Diesel. So to dispose of it I stepped out the back door and dumped it on the concrete pad. I then went back inside and lit a paper towel wad and tossed it through the door. Expecting some cool pyrotechnics. NOTHING happened ! I looked around the door and the towel was burning away right in the middle of the puddle of gas....? Eventually I got it lit with a propane torch.... Once burning the gas started billowing a gigantic cloud of black smoke, enough that I started receiving calls to make sure everything was ok. Luckily nobody called the fire dept.. I remember when Gasoline was explosive and burned clean....not so much anymore. No wonder our old engines don't like this stuff. The gas I was trying to light had came out of my 5000 gallon storage tank two days prior..

    Oh yea...To satisfy the lawyers....This stunt was performed by a professional Redneck in a controlled environment. No animals were harmed. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME !!!! If you do it wasn't my idea.
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  15. oldx

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    Corn was meant to be sipped out of a Mason jar.
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  16. Sport

    Sport Been here awhile

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    No, amundo!
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  17. wibby

    wibby BrotherFromAnotherMother

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    Have yet to have any problems with E10

    No decrease in mileage

    Sometimes my truck sits for months at a time


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  18. Kootenai Rider

    Kootenai Rider Gentleman of Liesure

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    That's weird, on my last trip to Mexico I got amazing fuel mileage in my Tacoma, yet it went to shit the first tank of 'merican gas I put in...

    Just saying.
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