dr650 vs wr250r

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by stormsearcher, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. Dirtgrain

    Dirtgrain Been here awhile

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    Somebody on this thread said the WR250R was faster than a DR650. I was just trying to offer some information. I would expect the WR to be slower. But still, a DRZ400S had marginally better times than the DR650 in a test by MCN, so who knows?
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  2. Colorado

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    Ah so.

    I just sold a DRZ-E. It was great, loads of power, lots of aftermarket and light weight. But its 5 speed gearbow is so closely spaced that you couldn't have it both ways, trail and highway. With a 6 speed it would be just about perfect.

    My WRR has perfect gearing for my purposes, which don't include 3rd gear wheelies on singletrack. Or so it seems so far.
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  3. djchan

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    Colorado - agreed, A DS'd DRZ400e with 6 speed would take it all. Suzuki- all you need is a new tranny....
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  4. NorthCoastRider

    NorthCoastRider Livin' the dream

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    The DR 650 has a lot of torque on the bottom but signs off early so take offs will be faster. The WRR needs to have flywheel momentum to make power. I don't really care about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times but these numbers could be beleivable. Mid range, suspension, wieght and 120kph cruising are what I care about. Did you notice the 70lb weight difference?

    The WRR needs to run 91 octane or better or else engine damage due to detonation can occur. The DR can run on any junk fuel. The WR is a 2008 model so aftermarket hop ups are still trickling out. Expect to see pipes, mufflers, power commander and big bores in the future.

    Try and get a test ride on both if possible. This is all my opinion, riders wieght, height and riding abilities will give different results.
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  5. montesa_vr

    montesa_vr Legend in his own mind

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    Thanks for posting those numbers Dirtgrain. Sounds about like what I would have expected. The owners over on Thumpertalk are complaining about ridiculously optimistic speedometer readings, so I'm encouraged that the X would actually do a measured 88 mph.

    If I bought a WRR I think my first engine mod would be the Power Commander to remap the fuel injection. http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659247
    $300, easily removeable, eliminates the worry about running EPA lean, no change in noise, and you'd have something in place to get the most out of any changes to intake or exhaust.

    This engine is so far oversquare that I doubt anybody will try to bore it. I do expect stroker kits, because a longer stroke would do exactly what some people seem to want, which is move the whole powerband down about 2000 rpm lower in the rev band. On the other hand, tearing a brand new engine down all the way to the bottom and replacing a perfectly good crank and connecting rod assembly only makes sense if you don't believe Yamaha or one of the other manufacturers will do it for you in the next year or two.
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  6. blasater

    blasater n00b

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    I wanted a good DP bike, under 300lbs, highway capable.

    It was the WR250R. Off road, the suspension soaks up any rut or whoop with ease at suprising speeds.

    On the road I cruise at 62 MPH (per my GPS) with still 1/3 throttle left.

    It isnt wicked fast, I'm 6'3" and 205 but enough to bring a smile.

    I considered the DR but the weight on tough trails killed it.
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  7. foothills

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    I got my WRR yesterday and put 175 miles on it since, mostly backroads, some sand, trails and dirt roads. Changed the oil and filter today. The bottom in 1st and 2nd is a little twitchey. The midrange seems kind of flat, but the motor opens up when you hit the upper revs. Of course it is not broken in yet. I ride it like I stole it for break in. I will be ordering a Power Commander this week to smooth out the bottom and free up the middle. I can pull a reasonable wheely in 1st and 2nd when really revved..going over a bump.

    Adjusted the suspension and it now soaks up road and off-road buimps fine. I'm 230lbs. Love the fuel injection for easy starts. Brakes are excellent and handling is sharp. Hate selling any bike so have some regrets about selling the DR650 (it left with a new owner today), just a little too heavy for the trails around here and wanted something different.

    WRR goes good on the road, and I'm not looking for sixth gear like on the DR, because it has one. The 250 is not stressing at 65, which is a pleasant surprise.

    I believe the DR may be quicker, but the WRR has the feeling of speed, probably because you need to ring it out to get moving and because of the lighter weight. Got about 70 mpg approx. so far.

    Great to see all the interest in this cool machine.
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  8. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    Keep talking. I have a DR650 and have been thinking......WRR
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  9. foothills

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    RR, have you gotten a test ride on the WRR? If I hadn't ridden it first I probably wouldn't have bought it. It is hauling me around town plenty fast on the local paved and dirt roads, it is running better as it breaks in and hits 70mph easily. Handles at least as good as the DR, certainly better and more manageable off-road. But the WRR is no match for the low end torque of the DR, no news there. Different riding style.

    The guy who bought the DR is happy and I'm happy with the WRR. I don't see the downside from the switch for the type of riding I do, ie., local roads, trails, dirt roads, etc., and no highway or trips with lots of gear.
    Riding the WRR around with a heavy throttle hand is good!
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  10. SteveRed

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    You only have to read your posts on the WR to see you are already in love with it.

    I think what you're really asking is the WR an adventure bike? Can you be seen as an adv rider on it? The answer is... "Buy the best bike you can afford that suits you!" For me it would be the WR over the DR any day of the week.
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  11. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    I have one lined up in the near future. I will be sure to give it the "heavy hand":1drink
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  12. dogjaw

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    I recently acquired a WR, in addition to my modded DR; absolutely loved the WR, to point I had put the DR up for sale, but I still had reservations. The WR is more modern, better brakes and better instrumentation. The DR had more grunt, much more relaxed; what was odd to me is that the two bikes do the same job by very different ways, the speed in the twisties/gravel roads, even acceleration from traffic lights was very similar. When I realized that the cost of finishing the DR with Intimators and a Vapor tech would be offset by all the mods that I would feel compelled to do to the WR to make it ready for the back country, the pendulum started to swing back towards the Suzuki. What made my final decision was a recent highway jaunt where I had to keep the WR throttle pinned to maintain 70 on a moderate incline, as well as when hammering to pass some cages on secondary roads where I would have just rolled on the DR. The WR is a work of art and an absolute blast to ride, looks evil as hell, but as a poor boy who can't justify two such similar bikes, I have to stay with my DR; granted, it said bye bye to stock form a long time ago, but now it seems to be better suited as a tool that can also be ridden as a hooligan while the WR seems to be first a toy that can be modded to be used as a tool.

    ... Another thing that struck me was the total lack of tie down points on the WR without adding aftermarket racks, which tells me something about the original purpose of this bike. I ride with a group of ADVers that absolutely fly on their WR's, but I'm going to stay with Thing 1 for now, even though I still have doubts. The WR will be on the Flea Market soon.
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  13. ohenry

    ohenry Been here awhile

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    I had an 08 WR250r and hated it. The thing was heavy and slow while the DR is heavy and fast. The suspension is a sink bug I freakin hated it! I would never sell a DR for a WR! You should buy a HuskyTE250 or 310 or KTM EXE and keep your DR because there is no such thing as a true dualsport they are all a compromise. You need 2 bikes one for dirt and one for street the TE is a perfect dirt/street 70/30 and DR is a perfect 30/70.
    KEEP BOTH!

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  14. Tachedoutoffroad

    Tachedoutoffroad Mr. Parrish

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    Ive literally had 9 bikes (and ridden 5 more) in the last 8 months: TEs, DRs, DRZs, XRs, WRs Trying to find THE ONE

    Ive ended up with a super built XR250-->300 kit, rev happy,non-dot, with $$ suspension for woods a plate for getting there and back AND a XR600R with a plate for "street", dirt rds, and such. It will do trails all day, just takes more work :D

    The XR600 and WR250 weigh the same too!! :rofl:rofl I'll kick the shit out of it for x3 the power :freaky

    I've only got $3k in both, which cost wayyyyy less than either of my single TEs. I LOVED the Huskies, but for my skill level, budget, and range of riding, I ended up with 2 bikes :clap:clap


    Just find a way to make two bikes in your budget; blood bank, sperm bank, loans:deal, girlfriends paypal account, whatever.
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  15. Tachedoutoffroad

    Tachedoutoffroad Mr. Parrish

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    I'm (un)patiently waiting for the MODERN 350-450cc dual sport motor/tranny from and manufacturer.

    KTM, Honda, Yami, i don't care.

    That ----could---- be THE ONE. Will still be too porky probably :cry
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  16. allroadrider

    allroadrider Been here awhile

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    I have had both a DR with a lot of mods and a WR with a lot of mods and enjoyed them both the WR was a great trail bike and not bad on the road while the DR was a great road bike and not bad on the trails. I have recently replaced them both with a KTM 690 but still have fond memories of both the DR & WR I finally sold the WR because every time I wanted to do a group ride I would take the WR rather than the KTM because I was so used to the bike.
    both bike were very reliable
    ARR
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  17. ohenry

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    Great combo I had a non-plated XR250r and loved it you have one plated :dizave!
    I had a hard time keeping up with bigger bikes on the WR constantly shifting and revving and shifting and shifting! I also hated the God awful noise from the bottom of the motor once I installed the bash plate!:eek1

    I have the TE250 only because it was an $0 trade for my 05 DRz400s which was a great 60/40 and I really liked the DRz. I just upgraded my sons ttr125le to a CRF230l and like it OK but there is nothing I have ridden with a plate as supreme as the TE including the new 2013 500exc.
    I would love a 650 and my twin brother has a DR650 and loves it but I am on the fence between the DR and XR and next weekend I am riding his for a test. I had a 640 and it was so vibey I was in hell so I would not think the 690 as being better but I know people take them on long hauls but not me!

    Blake
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  18. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    The 690 tends to be smoother than the 640s. The gearspread is a bit wider too.

    IMO, the WRR and DR do a lot of similar things well, but with a different bias. The DR is a tractoring packmule that is smooth on slab. The WRR is a revvy chunk of a dirtbike with lights and a smooth motor. Riding solo on rev-friendly terrain, I'd lean WRR. Riding heavy/2up, and/or in torque-sucking terrain, I'd lean DR. Either bike will do both, but you'll notice a definite bias.
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  19. ohenry

    ohenry Been here awhile

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    I have ridden the KLX250 KLX300r and the old XR250r and the WR250r has a bit more HP over them but the power is made way up on the moon in RPMs. The WR250r has nothing down low where as the XR and KLX's are more low end for grunt and punch. The WR250r came from a R1 which because it has 4 cylinders and that they rev to the moon it kicks but. Take away 3 cylinders and you have a rev happy motor with no guts which in the end only makes for an OK 50/50 bike. I feel you need punch off and on road and the WR250r is too smooth like a sewing machine with no thrill and no fun but it does get you there. I even tried to change the gearing on the WR and it did not help.
    I also had the DRz400s with all the mods done and it was great 60/40 bike with loads of torque which is why you need displacement on the older bikes to get the torque you need. <?xml:namespace prefix = "o" ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    My new bike is light has fuel injected open air box that hits like crazy with instant MX like throttle response which you can rev to the moon but is geared low enough to pull wheelies all day down low. The fun 82 MPH 2008 TE250. It sucks on the street but great off road a pure 20/80 bike.<o:p></o:p>
    Compare the DR to the WR... The DR650 is like whisky and the WR250r like a wine cooler they both get the job done in the end but they are much different. <o:p></o:p>
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  20. dogjaw

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    I recently added a pumper carb to my DR; instant arm pulling torque, but also very smooth at low speeds. I still love my WR, but the rush when you whack that throttle just isn't there...
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